How the hell did Henry Cooper nearly stop Ali?

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  1. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A thirteen stone Cooper, at that!
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Simple.

    Anybody can be nearly stopped by a punch that they don't see coming.

    All part of the learning curve.
     
  3. Big Red

    Big Red Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess they did not call it Henry's Hammer for nothing. Although maybe he could not get his best shots in all the time to do that to Ali takes serious power.

    You say he was only 13 stone, well I remember some years back in the all star game they have a red seat where skinny Ted Williams hit the ball and they were showing Mo Vaughn who was a top power hitter in his time and was built like a tank and probably around 250 at least, he just looked at where Ted Williams hit it and was lost for words.
     
  4. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    he threw a punch and it landed
     
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  5. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fighter can do plenty of damage even when weighing in the 180s and going up against a guy who weighs over 200 pounds. Plenty of guys have proved it over the years - Bob Fitzsimmons, Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, etc. When a true puncher catches you right, I don't care how big you are, you can go.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Let's not forget, he was as big as Jack Dempsey, or Rocky Marciano.

    Why shouldn't he hit like a truck?
     
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  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is always one of the best examples to use for the 'size uber alles' brigade. Little 180-pound Cooper hurt Ali more with that one shot than the huge Foreman did with hundreds of punches. Same for Lyle, Shavers etc.
    Timing and accuracy goes a long way...
     
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  8. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    He hit Ali with a left hook which Ali tried to pull back from. No "learning" to that curve because Ali never learned to pick up his right glove and turn his body to block a hook.
     
  9. thesnowman22

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    Bottom line is anything can happen in boxing. That's why this "so and so could NEVER beat so and so" is so stupid.

    Also why Floyds 48-0 does not make him TBE. If you fight enough, someone will get you. Cooper didn't beat Ali, but this shows you how it could happen. It is why many people see, say, 145-16-3 as better than 48-0. If Floyd fought 150-200 fights, hed get beat. Record is only one tool to rate fighters.

    I got a lil off subject. Like I said, anything can happen.
     
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  10. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cooper's success against Ali gets a bit overblown. He put him down for a two count and Ali got up, walked back to the corner and TKO'd him in the following round. I wouldn't say Cooper nearly stopped him.

    But it's boxing. One punch can change everything.
     
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  11. Boxing125

    Boxing125 Active Member Full Member

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    Ali was always vulnerable to the left hook - its why he had so much trouble dealing with Frazier. Two out four of Ali's career knockdowns were from left hooks - the other two were flash knockdowns.
     
  12. uncletermite

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    This is why Tyson would walk through him.
     
  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah but Ali was out on his feet. During the break he even stood up off his stool for no reason.
    Ali may have gotten up quickly but he was out of it.
    It's just lucky for him his powers of recovery were second to none.
     
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  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Cooper has 29kos in 40 wins do you think he hit significantly softer than say Walcott of Moore?
     
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  15. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cooper's success isn't overblown it's actually minimized by the silly split glove theory, which overshadows the fact Ali illegally received smelling salts in between rounds to be revived. That fight could easily have been ruled a DQ loss for Ali or a no contest. Had Ali not received those salts who knows what shape he comes out in the next round. Plenty of fighters have been hurt at the end of the round and the one minute interval is insufficient for full recovery. Look at Tua Rahman.
     
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