Proposed RUle Changes.

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    We should get back to real pure boxing & ban conduct that s antithetical to the sport, honestly represented.

    Encourage conditioning, endurance, & action.

    1) Weigh ins ALL shortly before a fight. They can have ceremonial ones any time earlier, but a man should weigh what he records for the official weigh ins. Better for health, more authentic, a better comparison to past champions. ..No more "grade inflation".

    2) Rule changes back towards what used to be-that encourage real fighting, not grappling.
    AND that do not advangae pure size in the top divisions.
    That would not only be more fair, but help answer how much being SHW size is an advantage if the rules were more neutral.

    Penalize grabbing, higging, leaning on, pulling down a man...A warning & then start taking points away. Eventually disqualify a man.

    Smaller gloves.
    15 rounds.
    Any other changes that privilege uninhibited fighting.

    3) ONE unified title per division.Eliminate politics, consolidate governing bodies. Or more very partial & absurd, technical "champions". This will cause legitimacy & credibility to skyrocket..

    But after a couple years, we may want to introduce a SHW division.

    3) Optional: these changes will especially improve the heaviest division. It would be fun to see if a smaller, high work rate, athletic fighter could become champion.

    If so, I would propose something like over 230 or 235.
    Thiis nwould produce more titles & interest amongst the traditional glamor division, & with the other rule changes even the SHW will tend to have to stay in better shape.

    4)Optional: a unified, Master,"One Ring to Rule Them all" title.
    Sp a HW could risl a SHW his title, & vice-versa.
    It would increase rooting interest, & a Wilder or some one much shorter could fight the overall bigger man-& many would love cheering for the underdog.

    You could have other adjacent weights having unified fight-offs...
    Certainly CW with HWs....
    And where the lighter man won, you could have a him fight a champion 2 divisions higher...But only at a catch weight between them. Again, may stimulate feeling for the underdog. Plus allow an honorary title...

    5) Optional: A Super-Duper HW division...Or call it something else like Frigate weight. Not only could they have box-offs with the SHWs, but it would be interesting to give opportunity to guys who get sucked into OTHER sports, like Football . pro (fake) wrestling, & basketball.

    Maybe make this division start ~ 265 or so.
    We could see how much size, helps, or size with skills & athleticism.
    If more huge men, heavily muscled & very tall, got into boxing...
    would not some clearly be better than a Valuev?

    6) Make PED/drug testing much more strict, frequent & random so nobody gets an unfair advantage.
    Did you know some steroids maximize strength, not bulk?
    So it impacts all divisions.

    The point is not how difficult or realistic said changes are, but how GOOD or not they would be.
    I want boxing to be more real, just, & exciting.

    What do you think?
    Any other changes wanted?
     
  2. fists of fury

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    So how does this all get enforced?
     
  3. uncletermite

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    Heres the main source of the problem MANY ATG's as you call them were grabbers such as Jack Johnson/Ali and klitchko...they ALL have that in common...that's a few ...take even a smaller guy like Willie pep and look at how he used grappling but is considered the best defensive fighter of all time..ridiculous...the solution is simple make a Super Hw class over 225 the end!
     
  4. Entaowed

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    You can change the rules & I described how to penalize grappling.
    Enforcement is not a big problem-getting consensus to implement these changes is. But I am discussing what might be best, not the difficulties of getting it done.

    I am aware grapplers have sometimes dominated. Ali after his exile.
    It never was right to tolerate.

    But making a SHW division will not solve all the problems I diagnosed, not even remotely. It only effects the HWs, everyone could still wrestle, etc...
     
  5. fists of fury

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    No to #5. It will be a division of circus freaks, failed wrestlers and Butterbean and Bob Sapp types. Who would want to see that?

    #6...The IOC supposedly has rigid testing in place, and look at how ineffective it is. Drug testing is almost worthless. It's ridiculously expensive, obstructed by politics and those in the know still manage to beat it. Which is virtually everybody.
     
  6. fists of fury

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    I know...let's just make the heavyweight weight limit 220 pounds. Anyone who cannot make weight can take up wrestling.
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Huh? C'mon, you would not PERMIT folks to box if they had more muscle than you like? And for very tall men, who are a ton of top athletes, they could not make 220 without being very lean, they could not even carry their natural muscle.

    Also we should allow the "circus freaks" to compete-* with the legitimate guys who are very large. They are allowed to today, this could encourage the more skilled guys, or those who could develop them like excellent athletes in many sports, to compete & seek fame & fortune.

    I am not persuaded that you never can or do catch many chats with drug testing. And many are deterred.
    There are big problems, but worse to permit rampant cheating or define doping & fake bodies & unfair advantages as Kosher.
     
  8. fists of fury

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    That's the idea. We need to invert it. Instead of a weight advantage,the big guys
    have a weight disadvantage.
    Wlad will have to starve himself to make 220; but he can rehydrate up to 240 again. Unless we have same day weigh-in's...then he will just have to starve period.
    That goes for these other guys too.
    It'll save boxing.
    We will see heavies that actually look in good shape again. Guys that throw combinations again, fighters that can stick n' move.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Entaowed: We should get back to real pure boxing & ban conduct that s antithetical to the sport, honestly represented.

    Encourage conditioning, endurance, & action.

    1) Weigh ins ALL shortly before a fight. They can have ceremonial ones any time earlier, but a man should weigh what he records for the official weigh ins. Better for health, more authentic, a better comparison to past champions. ..No more "grade inflation".

    >> I am for this, but it would change lots of champions over night, so a 6 month warning would be needed.

    2) Rule changes back towards what used to be-that encourage real fighting, not grappling.
    AND that do not advangae pure size in the top divisions.
    That would not only be more fair, but help answer how much being SHW size is an advantage if the rules were more neutral.

    >> The old punch to get out rules could be more liberal.


    You have to be careful with smaller gloves. I say leave them alone. Guys hit plenty hard these days. I say 15 round in title unification matches only.

    3) ONE unified title per division.Eliminate politics, consolidate governing bodies. Or more very partial & absurd, technical "champions". This will cause legitimacy & credibility to skyrocket..

    >> Will never happen.

    Pass not enough talent, and I could see even more catch weights.


    4)Optional: a unified, Master,"One Ring to Rule Them all" title.
    Sp a HW could risl a SHW his title, & vice-versa.
    It would increase rooting interest, & a Wilder or some one much shorter could fight the overall bigger man-& many would love cheering for the underdog.

    >> A super 6 or every 4 man invite of champions with champions I think would be great. Set it every four years.



    Make PED/drug testing much more strict, frequent & random so nobody gets an unfair advantage.
    Did you know some steroids maximize strength, not bulk?
    So it impacts all divisions.

    >>They test. The problem is beating the test has become too easy for those who cheat. I think guys moving up in weight cheat the most.
     
  10. Entaowed

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    Starving guys or not letting naturally big/tall guys compete or be emaciated is absurd & deeply unfair. Anti-grabbing regulations would do the trick.Medoza, I said make PED testing more strict, so i know they test. i agree about who tends to cheat, but more continal, random testing, more serious penalties & FREEZING samples so if they are found to be contaminated later with even substances not detectable now would deter many.

    I think having a SHW division would attract more talent, & box offs with HWs would create interest. Why should other sports & even fake wrestling get all the potentially good big guys?

    Maybe you are correct about gloves, but I jekeep reading about studies that show glove size & weight does not make a difference in impact.

    15 rounds in title unification fights only? For safety? Maybe, but there could be more effective ways to make boxing safer. If they did so, then having 20% more rounds helps to stress endurance & conditioning.

    I agree, a time period like 6 months to phase in rule changes + unify champions is only fair.
     
  11. klompton2

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    Add forcing fighters to give the fans their moneys worth or lose their purse and have a NC on their record followed by an enforced ban of a period of time. None of this coasting bull**** that we saw in Mayweather-Pac. Both those guys would have been tossed out of the ring with all bets off, no purses, a NC, and a ban in the old days but today people say "thats boxing baby!" If thats boxing then the sport is deader than Julius Caeser.
     
  12. red cobra

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    Everything's ok except 2). 2) is a bit of a grab bag I think...I've always wanted 15 rounds and smaller gloves, it's eliminating the "grabbing, leaning, hugging, etc., that I object to....I happen to like a Sammy Angott type of fighter. Listen, there are many routes to victory.
     
  13. fists of fury

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    I figured that by now you'd realise I was kidding about that.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    All the "eliminate holding/clinching/grabbing/hugging/leaning" talk is shortsighted.

    I get that some people think it makes for a less exciting fight or that some fighters are winning against other fighters that posters think are better by utilizing these tactics, but try to apply it and realistically you're going to make boxing MUCH less popular than it is now.

    Imagine a fight where one guy gets penalized 10-12 times for this and loses a fight where he knocks the other guy down four times. See how people like that result.

    Imagine a major PPV where a ref takes away a total of 25 points, 10 from one guy and 15 from the other, constantly stopping the action in every single round to do the deductions.

    Imagine the reaction when there's a clinch and the ref takes away a point from Fighter A and everyone thinks the other guy created the cilnch -- an easy example was a lot of posters saying Wlad clinched against Bryant Jennings, but you can watch and see that when they got close Jennings often would extend his left arm and wrap it around Wlad's torso ... all Wlad did was not hold his arms up in the air, which he would have had to do to avoid the clinch.

    This stuff is so subjective and you're going to create impossible situations for referees and it's going to lead to some really bad decisions based on constant point deductions. People don't pay to see referees decide fights, they want the fighters to settle it.

    Most of these situations can be overcome if a fighter really doesn't want to be clinched ... keep your elbows in tight and gloves in tight and there's nothing for the other guy to grab unless he's being very overt about it.
     
  15. fists of fury

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    They generally are.

    Personally I think persistent jabbing & grabbing should be punishable by public beheading (or at least a hanging) but I realise the difficulties in trying to combat it with rules.