How Joe Louis would beat Mike Tyson..

Tyson was the absolute worst style matchup possible for Louis. A fast starter with ATG speed and power, and far stronger than Louis to boot. Louis--a plodder and slow starter with a shaky chin. Extremely early ko for prime Tyson (80s); fairly early ko for post-prime (90-97) Tyson too.

 

Evander also had to eat a lot of big shots in that fight, something Louis wasn't accustomed to doing. Evander also had a lot of upper body strength to control Tyson in the clinches with and push him back into range when needed.. And last but most importantly, neither of those guys were prime when they met.. Hardly the Tyson of 7-10 years earlier, but why let that stand in the way of a good retort?

 

The shots he took were nothing to write home about barring maybe the first punch of the fight. Tbh Tyson was never the strongest in the clinches so it would be no mammoth task to control him there. I like how you say neither were in their prime and not just Tyson wasn't in his prime like a typical Tyson fanatic.

 

Louis doesn't have the chin, ot size to weather any storm. He will be blasted out and early. Tyson will not let him off the hook.

Tyson would decapitate Louis if he hit him with the punch he hit Holyfield with in the first seconds of their first fight. That same overhand right nearly killed Golota.

 

You do like to romanticise about your hero...

 

"Huge Frank Bruno" was also not really that good. It's why he kept getting beat at top level. I'm getting tired of this size and weight obsession on here.

 

Bruno lost all his biig fights not because he was dominated but poor stamina issues..the only fighter to go in there and destroy him off the bat was Tyson,even Lewis was losing before Bruno slowed down so the argument is weak if claiming Bruno was not that good,tyson has stated Bruno was his best win im guessing theres a reason for it? One things for sure Bruno would smash ANYONE that Louis fought.If you're tired take a nap.

 

He landed plenty of good shots and was being thrown all over the place by a man who had the strength to be able to do it and the chin to take his power - two things that I don't think really apply to Joe Louis And Evander wasn't nearly as knockdown prone to lesser fighters who hit him with lefts. But arguing this fight is moot as:

A. It wasn't an even close to prime Tyson

B. He was facing a totally dissimilar opponent to Louis

C. I've already acknowledged that Louis "could" win, but not sure i'd favor him.

 

It does get tiresome when some of the old time fighter fanatics dismiss that very same point when it's "their" fighter they are defending...

 

I favor Tyson as well but not as emphatically as you are. To say that Tyson would just go out there and maul one of the greatest fighters of all time with just a couple of big shots is an oversimplification. Joe Louis could possibly win this fight, I just don't "favor" him to do it.

 

I don't have to defend anything ,I just state facts and the obvious,unlike you who thinks Valuev k.os Tyson and cant comprehend why a weak chinned 190 pounder is a bad match up for a 220 monster with skills.

 

Disagree

Louis was a bad matchup for Tyson. Tyson would be facing the first fighter who had a better offense than himself. Louis was also very intelligent, had a great jab, and would box Tyson before unleashing his artillery. Louis combinations were the greatest in history, Tyson would not be able to stop them. He would be standing right in front of joe . You can't stand in front of Louis and survive

Louis was not a plodder. Watch the Baer fight. He moved his feet side to side in and out took nice angles. He often stalked his opponent which can be confused with being a plodder. Footwork wouldn't matter here since Tyson will stand right in front of joe.

Louis was not a slow starter. He knocked out the great max schmeling in 1 round. He finished other very good fighters early

He did not have a shaky chin. In 71 pro fights, he was only knocked out twice...after several rounds of sustained punishment

 

Weak chinned?? Well he was knocked out less than Tyson so that would make Tyson's chin pure glass then? What happens when that 220lb monster meets a machine who weighs 245lb?? I suppose size doesn't count with those two then....

 

A. It wasn't an even close to prime Holyfield.

B. Tyson never fought anyone like Louis.

C. Holyfield backed up and hurt Tyson early on with combinations.

D. Louis was a master combination puncher who hit harder than Holyfield.

 

That goes two ways, though. Tyson isn't really Galento or Buddy Baer, who both decked Louis incidentally.

Louis had fast hands and combinations. Tyson had faster. Louis hit hard. Tyson hit harder. Furthermore, Louis had nothing like the chin of Tyson and Tyson had the better defence and faster feet (don't know if that last will make much difference in this match-up, though).

Sure, Louis at his best was more experienced, more tried and tested than the Tyson that demolished Spinks. But let's be real here - Tyson's advantages are just too many. Louis at his peak was put on ***** street by 167 lbs Billy Conn. I just can't see him win a fire fight with Tyson.