Top 50 Middleweight of all Time

Christiansan wasnt european MW champion when he fought Scholz. He wouldnt win that title until 10 years after he fought Scholz. He was a WW when he fought Scholz. Billy Graham was a WW. Tony Demarco was a WW. Dussart, Herbillion, and Folledo were all WW when they fought Christiansan. When he fought Griffith, ten years after Scholz, it was for the JMW title. So again, how does this point Scholz being so great at MW where his resume is paper thin?

The difference is that all of those great fighters and the defeats you listed were against acknowledged championship level opponents. You bring up Chris Christiansan who was never a championship calibre fighter, neither was Humez, those guys lost to fighters a full class or two below the fighters you listed above. Nevermind that you arguing about a guy being a great MW opponent because he beat a bunch of regional European WWs. That makes no sense. Look what happened when Herbillion stepped up: Bassett LKO1, Loi L15 those are the only world class names on his record. Folledo Papp LKO8, Benvenuti LKO6 (and its debateable that either were world class at that point). Dussart DeMarco L10, Graham L10, Famechon W10 (and he outweighed Famechon by 10 pounds).

 

Think of the United States as being in the top tier of boxing while Europe was in the second one at best during the 20th Century. Yes, there have been some great European fighters during that century, but there were far more in the United States at the time. On the other hand, there have been far more top soccer players from Europe than from the United States. That is far from being a perfect comparison, but you get the idea.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Who made this list ??? a biased American it seems and I can't take this seriously, it's awful, Les Darcy was much better than this list suggests... not as good as Apostoli, Klaus, Dillon, M Gibbons, Giardello, a guy called Chase ffs, Lytell, papke, and others he would have destroyed and he had better resume/record. I can see a future where some mongrel will do a list of the top 10,000 middleweights and Darcy will be ranked at 10,000. It just gets more insulting. It isn't the only thing wrong with that list but he was regarded as the best when in his prime yet he has many of his contemporaries above him.... stop me before I start swearing and blow my stack.

 

Seriously I would prefer that people like that just left Les out of their lists entirely rather than rank lesser fighters above him, that way I can just surmise the guy simply forget he ever existed.

This is utterly disgusting, he is so far underrated here that I want to vomit.. you have to read 32 names before you get to him... Yarosz ranked ahead of Darcy ??.... good grief this is insane

 

ffs quit while you are behind mate, your list is even worse, you clearly have no idea at all, I shouldn't have to mention your obvious omittal but he is better than two thirds of the guys you have there, he would have beaten them to little pieces. Oh yeah and there's another guy,, he beat Bobo Olsen silly, Bobo isn't even near the class of Dave Sands. Then you go and insult everyone's intelligence by putting that BUM Al McCoy in your list, you even omit Mike Gibbons, but to not even have heard of Les Darcy shows you need to read more and watch some more old fight footage. I don't want to get insulting but please learn more about the greats

 

He didn't do much except beat all the best MW's of his day except for M Gibbons... Al McCoy does not come into it and Dillon was a light heavy at the time. Didn't do much ???????? 50 pro fights before age 21 and the fact he beat really good top liners even when he was just 18 years old..... McGrain I don't think you have this right at all. Not sure what you meant by your last line/sentence. btw, who did this list ?

 

Yarosz was from the 30's and that was a relatively weak era compared to Darcy's

 

Well said

 

Hi ted, you and I have both made video tributes to Les Darcy on youtube..... mine is called Les Darcy-Kid Genius and you are the bloke who inspired me to do one of my own.
yes no doubt the list will anger Darcy fans and I was certainly taken aback by it... then I saw another list from another poster that omits him altogether from history. As for Les Darcy's spirit I reckon he would just shrug his shoulders, Les seems that kind of bloke to me, at least McVey has him there somewhere AND he mentions the fabulous Dave Sands as well and I think his list may be a work in progress. Anyway Ted it's nice to see you on a forum again.

 

You missed Ron Richards and Fred Hennebury and Ceferino Garcia there but I still think the era with Darcy, the Gibbons's, Jeff Smith Dave Smith, George Chip, Frank Klaus, McGoorty, Clabby is better. (There are more names but I don't count Al McCoy)... Moore wasn't matured yet at middleweight but did show a lot of class to beat Richards and Hennebury. Conn was still maturing but yeah he did great and Moore and Conn are quite a bit better than the others you list there and I have seen every film available from that late 30's going into the 40's era of middleweights.

 

I did say relatively weak... not as in it was weak, there is a difference