Top 50 Middleweight of all Time

Had to have a laugh just relax and don't take anything from ras whatever his name is seriously .

 

while we are mentioning Young Corbett III lets enjoy him in action/
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hmmm what went wrong with the videos ?????

 

So where would you rate this John guy ????? title defences aside he is nowhere near Pep and Griffo so where under those two would you put him? or should I say did you put him, oh and yeah, Saddler is in my top three with those guys I mentioned. Abe Attel would surely rank very high and so would George Dixon, don't know where I should put Fenech but at his peak he was unstoppable, I know, I saw all those fights.

 

That would be Super middleweight bro

 

Ummm only two Aussies McGrain mentions, the great Darcy and the excellent Sands and no they didn't fight weak opposition,, Scholz is a name that hardly anyone knows. Obviously your knowledge of Darcy amounts to ZERO................ that means ****** all, zilch, nothing, I bet you thought a Les darcy was a soccer player or something.
Anyway the word most usually doesn't equate with the number two my freind.
in another post you said Scholz was maybe even better than Sturm, well so was Daniel Geale buddy and Geale had talent but not even one of the greats of the last 4 years so where does that put your argument ?

 

OK so you are an idiot then... get your facts right about Darcy before you bother me with this domestic BS.... are McGoorty, Clabby, Chip, Crouse, J Smith, Loughrey, Holland, KO Brown, Murray and Christie not American fighters ????? and are they all nobodies ? then there are his French and British opponents......... Regional titles ???? wrong again. You have no idea, and I have seen you on other threads and you ain't much better there either but now you want to insult Australians as if no Aussie was ever a great fighter because if Darcy is a nobody then every other Aussie fighter is simply a punching bag....... as for the pathetic Al McCoy you really have shown yourself up here, even this forums biggest Darcy critic (until you came along maybe) Klompton said that McCoy was probably the worst champ ever and was pathetic, who cares what the bums age is........ fact is Darcy fought many top Americans for a version of the world title (because McCoy wouldn't defend against any fighter even close to the best 15 MW's on earth at the time, this was a deep deep MW division at that time and the universally recognised top 2 MW's in this period were Darcy and Mike Gibbons and you show ignorance of Tommy as well, he was a LHW,............................................................ ......................... I feel like insulting you back but I have said enough and said all I want to say to you, I couldn't be bothered wasting my time with someone who knows nothing about Darcy or Sands or any Aussie fighter.

 

Please by all means keep insulting Mundine though cos most Aussies can't stand him, we all know he's a fake, far more than the rest of the world does....

 

I will answer this because unlike your ridiculous post on Darcy here you seem to have more idea, yes Fenech spent little time at the weight..... no I don't rate Saddler greater than Pep but don't know if I have Pep at number 1 either as Young Griffo's record seems awesome but we don't have that much info on Griffo but 168 fights before his first controversial loss is one of the all time best ever records. Armstrong is also top 5 I reckon, McGovern and Dixon and Attel are big contenders for the other two top 5 spots along with Saddler, I don't think Chocolate is as great as the above, I need to look more into this John guy, that's why I asked you about him, I am curious because I am not aware of him yet. I even have forgotten his first name, there is a Derek John but boxrec says he's a LW and his record is that of a guy who never even got to journeyman status, as I write this I have just found him so let me read up........... he has a pretty good record, beaten Marquez which looks by far to be his best result but so far he doesn't rank alongside the guys above nor with a Johnny Kilbane........................... hell I have never done a list on the featherweights but so far I will stand by Pep and Griffo as my top 2 so far and even there I don't know who to put at #1

 

At least you admit you know nothing at all about Darcy and that is highly obvious so why did you even bother to pretend he is a nobody when you simply have overlooked him, he is universally recognised as a great fighter, I assure you he would have beaten Scholtz lifeless if he wanted to, there was nothing, I repeat nothing that was ordinary about Darcy or his best 5 opponents McGoorty, Clabby, Chip, J Smith and KO Brown. Now don't reply to this unless you go and do some serious reading about this time period you know very little about, I say this to help not to insult. You are very lucky Bobby Sinn and Sallywinder have left this forum years ago or you would be copping some serious criticism

 

gregluland, I think that Les Darcy is in the same boat as Stanley Ketchell. Both have been considered all-time greats based on what they did for only a few years as world-class fighters. As a result, I find it very hard to put Darcy and Ketchell at the same level as all-time great middleweights who fought at a very high level for a much longer period of time.

I think that Larry Foley hasn't been given his just due for his contributions during the early days of boxing under the Marquis of Queensbury Rules. Foley certainly played an important part in making Australia a very important factor in boxing during that period of time. Would Foley get more recognition if he was an American or British?

- Chuck Johnston

 

If Foley was American his home town would have a massive statue of him and a plaque saying "Longest Ring Career of all and undefeated greatest bare knuckler" well something like that.
As for Darcy and Ketchell they wuz robbed pure and simple, Darcy was never knocked down and he was a kid,.... think about that for a second........ the thing I can't stand is modern people rewriting history, embellishing the reputations of those that had no such stature in their own day and tearing those who were thought of as amazing and great off their position, yet none of us ever saw them fight, we have selected bits of film, much of it from fights with a great vs a nobody and most of the great fights not even on film... No Britton V Kid Lewis etc....... No Walker v Greb....... We moderns do a lot of making of new myths and I am getting tired of it. If Darcy is excluded from lists now then he is deader than dead, soon to be forgotten forever and that ain't fair. As I said we are rewriting so much history and we are losing touch..... all experts from the old days say emphatically that Ketchell and Darcy were better than so many that came after them... Kearns who managed Walker so had a vested interest distinctly said that Les Darcy would have destroyed Walker and was in another league, why would he say that if he wasn't positive about it ???. Walker was HIS FIGHTER.. this was said in 1927, he also said he would have beaten ALL the MWs and LHW's of the 20's... he also said Ketchell would easily beat them too. I have the report and have read it quite a few times, Tunney and Dempsey said the same, sure they didn't know Darcy (Kearns did and had seen him fight quite a bit) but this gives an insight into the common viewpoint in those days..... all this just gets ignored by moderns trying to elevate this fighter ot that to the stratosphere but Darcy and Ketchell were already there.. do any of us know more than Dempsey Kearns and Tunney ??? no way in a pink fit, if anyone thinks otherwise they are dreaming, Darcy was truly great and that is why his death at 21 upsets Australians as we know Darcy wuz robbed (of life, reputation, his place in history, EVERYTHING)... He would have done so many great things in those next 5 years for sure and he would have had so many fights, maybe as many as Greb and he would have fought Dillon, both Gibbons brothers, Kid Lewis, Carpentier, Miske, Greb, Walker, Tunney, McCoy and many other big names and beaten most if not all of them, instead he fought an opponent a million times stronger than all of those guys... septicaemia.

As for Foley, no I don't think he was the greatest bare knuckle fighter but he sure was great as far as his legacy goes and yes he was undefeated between 1868/9 to 1906 if I remember correctly spanning 5 decades........ according to one site, Boxrec has his career slightly shorter, his last visit to the ring he was about 60 yo.