How would Ali beat Vlad?

Can't take left hooks? Who knocked him out with one?

Two men knocked out Wlad with left hooks, Sanders and Brewster, and another dropped him3 times with right hands,[ Peter],Id say the evidence is that its Wlad who can't take them!atsch

 

Well name these greatest fighter ever seen?What era?Who on a 6'6 240 plus olympic meadlist/world championship material?Ali couldn't even beat a prime Frazier what are you talking about?atsch

 

Well if Frazier had HW power it wouldn't have went even 6 rounds.ali lucked out with a 205 pound HW"STILL LOST"and a 220 pound Foreman who was sloppy as they came with no stamina to save his life that night.Ali does NOT have the power to mimick the punches Wlad was dropped by,and if we are going by that Wlad well funny how Ali was saved by the bell by a 180 pound LEFT hooker isn't it?

 

185.5lbs actually, and in the next round he crucified Cooper. Bottom line Ali was never kod , not by a left hooker or anyone else .Wlad was kod twice by left hookers, and a journeyman so your statement is ludicrous,a bit like all your posts really.:yep

 

Actually little Cooper had put weights in his pants to make him heavier to make the fight seem more even during the weigh ins.

Bottom line no matter how you spin things ali never had to fight a fast athletic 6'6 super HW who actaually didn't move like a zombie even like the small 200 pounders Ali fought!you might actually want to check how wlad lost those fights and the last time he actually lost,you're continually one of the worst posters on here and your last comment shows that,Ali wasn't a left hooker anyway! :finger5

 

These debates are so tough. To people who watched the drama that played out in the fights of Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Holmes etc... , it's tough to look at Wlad & say he would beat them. There was an intensity in watching Frazier break a guy down while walking through a few punches himself. It's exciting watching Tyson fly across the ring & throw every punch with "bad intentions". It's amazing watching young Ali lean back with his hands down & win fights with flash as well as substance & later watch him dig deep against menacing opponents like Foreman. I didn't watch many of those fights when they happened. I read about the fighters of the 70's when I became a boxing fan in the 80's. Just reading the accounts of the fights & all the story lines that surrounded each one had me excited to watch them one day.

Wlad's fights don't have any drama. There's no animosity with his opponents. There's no "fight of the century" hype. His fights don't have ebbs & flows. He comes in superbly conditioned & goes about his business methodically. It's not as easy to appreciate what he does. He can seem boring. It's tough then to say this boring fighter could beat Ali or Frazier of Holmes all of whom had moments of drama in their fights when the had to dig down to win. Like I posted earlier, Wlad's fights don't appeal to me at all but I realize he has a winning formula. I could see him beating all the greats from the past. It wouldn't be exciting but he'd always have a great chance of winning. It doesn't diminish those fighters greatness to me.

 

Which is how you have learned boxing is it?
Do you really believe all the nuances of the sport can be picked up and learned in a matter of weeks?

If this is your logic at play, we are done here. You are exposing yourself more and more as an armchair warrior with no real knowledge of the game.

 

Well put. :good

 

Another real good post.

 

Fists of fury,I don't think ,I know.The difference is you still have to know the fight game,you don't.:yep

As far as me personally,well how many sanctioned fights have you been in?ive had multiple?Ive recently helped train someone for a north east Hw title fight,how many have you?Ive literally kicked the living daylights out of some Hw's outside the ring,how many have you?Ive had a vast amount of old VHS fights as far back as the mid 80's when did you start studying fighters?I have my own page with boxing/MMA training do you?I work with all champions from amateur to pro in grappling/boxing to muai thai have you ever? Have you ever even spared before let alone be in with a ranked/known HW or any boxing type of champion? I was at the martial arts hall of fame event hosted by Cynthia Rothrock included among the many was Muhammed Alis induction into the martial arts hall of fame that was giving to him for his achievements in boxing that required an invitation to the event,where were you? I have decades of training in all aspects of fighting I bet you haven't even put a mouthpiece in,even before I ever had a sanction fight "EVER" my first real sparing session inside the ring was with Yuri Vaulin a guy who gave Morrison trouble for 4 rounds and a Champion of his country!Care to show me where I was exposed?



Yea arm chair warrior? :clown

 

I never said he was a left hooker though Bonavena would dispute your opinion. I questioned your statement that he couldn't take left hooks and since none ever knocked him out you are wrong,as usual.
Bottom line Wlad has never fought a man as fast,talented , mobile as Ali ,a man with the heart to go through fire,a man capable of improvising on the spot,a man named either number 1 or 2 in everyone's list as an ATG heavyweight.

 

Yes he has his name was David Haye,every bit as fast as Ali bigger,stronger and more awkward to fight..you are just blinded by popularity.Haye ran when he felt Wlads power its that simple,ali is the worst match up possible to win for Wlad other than Tyson,you just lack either common sense or are that much incapable of knowing what you are watching.The closest thing stylistically to Ali would be Byrd who is not only the same size as Ali when he fought Wlad but hits harder than Ali,and he was crushed at 212 pounds.The funny thing is ali would need to be at least 220 just to keep Wlad off him,have you ever seen Ali to be this speed demon at that weight or above?I thought not!


You said Wlad was troubled by left hookers,and Ali was one of the best?Im wrong as usual yet everything you say is either lies or contradictions that I always correct you on?:-(

 

i do think that this matchup has reached a stage where Wlad deserves more than just he wins because of his size advantage. Or Ali wins because he is the greatest.

I think Wlad presnts a definite stylistic challenge and Ali would need to devise a way around it. as the thread suggests, finding how might be the interesting part of this fight.

there is no doubt, imo, that Wlad has that champion Aura. The same Aura that Tyson had and Foreman had, even if it is in a different way. I think that Wlad's size gives him that Aura, and i think there would be plenty of talk that Wlad was too big for Ali and things had progressed too much.

I think Ali would be the likely underdog in this fight, much the same way he was an underdog against Sonny Liston adn George Foreman. Remember prime Ali was not as old or as experienced as prime Wlad, so this makes sense. With the talk being on Wlads size and strength, I see the lead right in the first round being thrown and landed regularly.

I think it is important for Ali to have Wlad respect his power early and i see this as the most likely way. How Wlad reacts to this, we just dont know. It wont be the hardest he has been hit, but he will be hit, and hit solidly How he reacts to this is still an unknown, imo, as he has been wobbled by too many power shots to completely write it off.

Strangely enough, the clinch is another area where i think Ali will need to rule the roost. Despite his size, and the fact that he is so reliant on leaning on people, i have never considered Wlad particularly good at clinching, especially when he was hurt. I think Ali would control the clinch early by physically manhandling wlad and grabbing him by the back of the neck. I dont think Wlad will deal with this well and as a result, ali would land some solid shots as Wlad tries to swat him away.

Wlad, for the most part, imo has his best chance by concentrating on the long range straight lefts and rights. He does have a chance if he can consistently keep Ali at bay and Jab consistently, using his reach to beat Ali to the punch. He also does have a good chance of finding Ali with the Long range hook of his which is a lethal punch and is certainly capable of giving Ali trouble.

All in all though, i think that the key here is for Ali to land hard and Early. i think if he does this, it will panic wlad into defending and clinching and will take away his offence.

I see Ali winning on points reasonably comfortably.

 

Being kod by two left hookers proves he was troubled by them.


Yes the 6'1.5" Byrd, whose reach is 74" and who turned pro at 169lbs is the same size as Ali.
Byrd, who never stopped a heavyweight who was above the class of third rater hits harder than Ali.
Thanks for the entertainment Punchy.:good

 

Weight: Wlad
Height: Wlad
Reach: Wlad
Power: Wlad
Jab: Wlad
Cross: Wlad
Hook: Wlad
Ring IQ: Wlad

Footspeed: Ali
Stamina: Ali
Durability: Ali
Leg strength: Ali
Balance: Ali
Body coordination: Ali