How would Ali beat Vlad?

You never know, opposites attract, maybe they will form a tag team?

 

Maybe they're one and the same !

A schizophrenic, perhaps.


Both have exhibited symptoms of psychopathology. :yep

 

Klitchko was initially hit by a head but to the temple when they clashed as Sanders rushed in head first and was dazed,you say you are retired,maybe your eye site is going?:roll:

Sanders is extremely quick and powerful Ali is just quick,he is also not a southpaw,though he had a hard time with his own 190 pound one and 4 inches shorter than Sanders with Mildenberger who won the first 4 rounds despite what the scorecards said?:smooch


Byrd has k.od more bigger guys than ali has,and would be a k.o artist in his era with the same opponents..ali actually is one of the weakest k.o punchers as champion in the history of the HW division!



And yes MCLIAR I will continue to school you just keep'em coming!

 

Nope, Ali for the Clevland Williams fight was 212 1/2 lbs, which is barely less than Peak Tyson

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Cleveland_Williams

He's the height of an average heavyweight and in good shape; an older and fatter Ali took the shots of Foreman, whom by Holyfield's own admission, hit harder than Lewis (Lewis = Super Heavyweight who can smash in Vitali Klitschko's face). A past prime Ali has knocked out people who hit harder than modern day super-heavyweights.

People overrated superheavyweights far too much. Post-prime Tyson destroyed superheavyweight Lou Savarese; and Tyson himself was far less skilled than Ali.

 

Both Ali and Wlad have an 81 inch reach.

 

The difference in speed is miniscule between Wlad and Ali,though if you really watch ,you would see Wlad punch for punch is faster,and his punch would have to travel less distance ,hes also a better measurure at where his target is...the big difference is in power,and that's what gives the clear edge to Wlad here,you also have Wlad as the better jabber,so right there the fight is over.


Williams is'nt in the picture here ,he wouldn't even be medically cleared to fight today if he was in the same state as he was then.

Holyfield was 205 vs a 260 pound foreman
Holyfield was 220 plus vs Lewis

Ali fought a 220 foreman who barley hit him on the chin and telegraphed every punch anyway,i doubt it would do much with Ali bouncing off the ropes.

Its not about Vitalis face,its about Wlads offense and what it would do to alis face.

 

Can you read what I said?? Come again when you can..

 

What the hell are you talking about? Ali is much, much faster than Wlad. If you google Wladimir Klitschko speed, you will find roughly nothing substantial. If I google Muhammad Ali speed, I can find a clip of him throwing 11 punches in 3 seconds and knocking someone out with that same combination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU2YPXghFkU

I don't know what the hell you used to ascertain that Wlad has faster hands or movement than Ali, but there is no evidence to even support a ridiculous notion. Current Wlad struggled with Bryant Jennings, who is moderately athletic.

Holyfield was 208lbs against Foreman and only 215lbs against Lewis (source: Box Rec); that's a mere 7lb difference and everyone knows the Holyfield who fought Foreman was far better than 1999 Holyfield.

1999 Holyfield was older, slower and had worse timing. The early 90s version of Holyfield was far superior, that version of Holyfield admitted that Foreman hit harder than either Tyson or Lewis.

That's rid kiddo, Holyfield admitted that a fat, out of shape George Foreman hit harder than superheavyweight Lennox Lewis, who comparatively is stronger than Vitali Klitschko.

And I beg to differ on Foreman, Ali's fight against Foreman massively slowed him down. You can easily see that in his next fight; the Foreman fight is what probably gave him parkinsons disease. He battered Ali around the body and head quite hard. It was Ali's chin was able to take the damage.

The only person to have ever stopped Ali was Holmes, and Ali by the time he fought Holmes had distorted speech. Nobody has stopped Ali, not even Foreman, who hits harder than modern day super-heavyweights. Wlad on the other hand has a glass chin and his jab and grab style won't work against Ali.

Ali UD15 Wlad.

 

"You sound like a really big tough dude. I hope fists of fury and McVey know what they're up against here" Quoting coo coo bird


Well you just read many things about me other than that I also have a bodyguards license so I guess it does make me one! lzdie

 

Boxerfan81, Wlad punch for punch is faster his one two hook or straight right after his jab is as anything faster than any punch ali threw.

"Wlad has faster hands than Tyson" Tommy Brooks


You even have Wlad as the better jabber so your whole view and stance on who wins is totally thrown out the window just on that point of ability ,and you cant even figure out why. :-(

 

The question is, what are you talking about? Ali beat Frazier two out of three bouts.. both were past their prime the last two.. The first fight, in 71, Ali beat Frazier to a pulp.. The knockdown gave the fight to the Champion, kudos to Frazier.. He had been fighting regularly, Ali was on a comeback with only two tune up fights.. Ali would ko Vlad in the late rounds after slicing him to ribbons for 10 rounds...

 

Fraziers prime was 67/71.Ali did not best Frazier at his best.Im not saying 74 Ali couldn't but he would have still struggled.If he is struggling with Frazier he is going to have a nightmare with Wlad regardless of different styles.Ali straight punch style is not going to trouble Wlad at all,its either going to be a mismatch of 12 rounds or a k.o mid rounds for Wlad,his Hook is not only more powerful but you cant see it coming because he throws it off the jab instantaneously.Ali would not k.o anything,unless Wlad was 5'11 205 pounds.

 

LOL you did exactly what I thought you would: provide no evidence. If Wlad is ''punch for punch'' faster then provide some evidence; because all I've seen him do is out-box the current crop of fat American heavyweights

Wlad is in good shape, but there's no evidence to suggest he is meaningfully fast in speed; he simply has good timing and rythym.

Both Ali and Wlad have the same reach; their jabs are different, Ali has a fast, stinging jab used to control distance, whereas Wlad's jab is stronger and more robotic, like Sonny Liston.

Clinching Ali won't work, Ali was the king of clinching.

 

Just go to youtube,any highlite reels or training on mitts/speedbag..but the real evidence is two eyes though that's asking a lot since the brain needs to actually compute what it is seeing.:-(


Clinching wont work for the 3 inch taller 30/40 pound heavier fighter who has a backround in judo?Gotcha!

 

Anyone looks good on mitts. Do you think posting a video of Floyd Mayweather on the mitts would prove anything too? Nope.

Even Audley Harrison would look good in training. Provide some actual fight evidence and ****ysis of Wlad's speed.