Could Mike Tyson really beat Joe Frazier?

He was able to dominate in an okay level division; much akin to what the Klitschko brothers are doing now. Had Tyson fought earlier, he wouldn't have been as dominant - as we saw with the Klitschko's (e.g. Vitali losing to an old Lennox Lewis yet dominating the next decade of tomato cans).

Buster Douglas was 30, not 28 - and he was a 42-1 underdog against Tyson. He was able to dominate Tyson with rudimentary outside boxing skills and good timing. He fought Tyson exactly how Ali would have fought him. The difference is that Ali was much faster, even an old Ali.

Frazier's showings against Ali > Tyson's showing against Douglas. You can see a clear difference; Frazier has heart, he's willing to go to war. Tyson isn't. He got hit hard and it was downhill from there. Much of his dominance depended on trying to bully his opponents.

Ali still gave Joe hell because 1970's Ali was still a great fighter. This is the same Ali who beat Ron Lyle, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton. Ali had problems outside the ring yet he was still able to move past that.

Frazier nearly KILLED Ali in the Thrilla of Manilla; that's heard I've not seen Tyson display. And Tyson-Douglas wasn't heart, that was chin. Tyson has a huge neck, he can absorb punches better than most heavyweights. That's what we saw with Tyson vs Douglas.

With Frazier, we've seen him get up over and over against once he's been outmatched because he has the desire to win. And what ''record'' do you think Joe has against big punchers? The only monster puncher he fought was Foreman and Foreman trounced him.

Frazier actually beat Ellis (24 knockouts), Bonavena (44 knockouts) and Chuvalo (64 knockouts). Ruddock was a big puncher, but Bruno and Smith were body-builders; Bruno was a hype-job and Ruddock was a failed potential.


Yes Mike Tyson has been stopped "several" times.. five of the six times he was stopped came AFTER he had lost FOUR years of his career to a jail sentence and THREE of those stoppages came when he was in his late thirties.. Frazier never had a significant layoff... Frazier avoided most of the big punchers of his era... Frazier was finished boxing by age 32...Frazier fought in a grand total of 37 fights as opposed to Tyson's 56.. Does it make a little more sense now why Mike had more stoppage losses?

 

I actually think Holmes's style is perfect for Tyson. Tyson struggled with James Tillis, a Muhammad Ali rip-off.

Prime Larry Holmes had the greatest jab of all time; and he fought very much akin to how Buster Douglas fought Mike, controlling Mike with the jab and controlling the pace. The Holmes who came back to fight Tyson was rusty and old.

 

Out of his 37 fights (fought with one eye blind, btw), he was only stopped twice. Once against Ali, in a 15 round fight after a gruelling war (Tyson would never last 15 rounds).

And one against Foreman. Nobody else has been able to truly hurt Joe. Every time he's been knocked down, he's gotten up, been fine and continued to dominate the fight. He's really only ever been stopped once; considering he fought in one of the better era's for heavyweights, I'd say that's a tremendous accomplishment.

Who has Tyson beaten which suggests he can take out Frazier?

This is all wrong. Frazier's prime weight was 205-207lbs; Tyson's best weight was 216lbs max. 220lb Tyson was worse.

You've got a 9-11lb weight difference here, considering Frazier has had fought and beaten heavier opponents, it shouldn't make the difference you're claiming it does.

LOL the Marvis comparison is dumb as hell.

Marvis was NOWHERE near as good as his dad. His level of competition was nowhere as good. He LOST in ONE round to Larry Holmes, his dad by contrast fought Muhammad Ali several times and went to war with him.

The comparison is idiotic.

 

His first stoppage was against Douglas. This is the best stoppage to which we can ascertain Mike's weaknesses; Douglas survived the early rounds and boxed Mike, wore him down and then beat him late.

In every single Mike Tyson loss, it's the same pattern. It doesn't matter if it's 1990 or 2002, he loses in the same way every time; he gets tired and knocked out. It's not his chin which makes him lose, it's his stamina. Even Lennox Lewis admitted that Douglas gave the blueprint of how to beat Tyson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bJnnBg9MwI

Tyson was not a 12 rounds fighter; he was more-so a 6 round fighter. He didn't conserve his energy, that's why he was so fast in the early rounds.

And who did Frazier ''avoid''? Is there any evidence of this? He fought Foreman twice. If he was wanting to avoid big punchers, then he wouldn't have rematched Foreman.

Frazier was finished because of his beating against Ali. Never mind the fact that he fought with one blind eye, after the Thrilla in Manilla his health and speech deteriorated. Eddie Futch said he was close to death in that fight and almost blind.

 

You're the imbecile who tried to tell me Wladimir Klitschko was faster than Muhammad Ali, and when I ask you for evidence, you tell me to watch his training videos on the mitts. A bit rich for you talk.

 

You're being naive or intentionally ignorant if you think that.