How would Ali beat Vlad?

All that and you don't know jack. Just kidding. Props on sparring Vaulin. I liked that guy.

Still don't agree with you on this thread though.

 

OMG. That Sanders head clash which left Wlad dazed. I know only one other person who ever used that excuse.

Elroy! Buddy! Long time no see! Some of your posts seemed eerily familiar but I didn't want to jump to conclusions about a new guy.
Why didn't you just come out and say it was you all along? Did your other account get deleted or something?

And to think you had me going there for a while!

 

What happens when these people look at Wlad? Does he turn into some kind of super being? Wlad's faster than Ali? At what? The rate at which he withdraws himself after throwing a punch because he's ****ping himself in case he gets hit?
I've said it before he's a mechanical robot,a high class one at that, but that style is never going to beat Ali,in fact it's made for him.
So he punches hard,well I say, what would Ali do, I mean he's only been in with those feather fisted nobodies like Foreman, Shavers, Liston x2, Lyle, Frazier x3, Quarry x2, Bonavena and only one knockdown in all those fights besides fighting others who could hit plenty.
I actually think this is a fairly easy nights work for Ali.

 

Very good post overall.
I would like to dwell on the bit outlined above.
This has been something I have been trying to address, maybe not very well.

Wlad barely ever, ever counters an opponent. He's done it but it's extrenely rare.
Obviously he does not want to open himself up to be countered in return.
Wlad is as said, a cautious fighter. He never lets fly with punches and punches only when he feels comfortable doing so.

If an opponent comes forward throwing punches Wlad will either back off or seek to smother and clinch.

So its safe to say that an opponent can go on the offensive without much risk. This has led me to wonder if someone with Ali's speed of hand and foot won't find it easier to initiate and break off the action when he sees fit.
In other words, control the pace of the fight.
Is it possible for Ali to rat-tat-tat Wlad emboldened knowing Wlad isn't going to send a right hand over the top. Even if most the shots are blocked, it would look good. If some get through then great.

Can Ali initiate and break off this way? Don't see why not. He's fast enough in my opinion to get away with it.
He will have to contend with Wlad's jab too of course but Wlad's unwillingness to counterpunch could be a critical weakness here.

 

And Frazier did not best Ali at his best, that would have been during the 3 and a half years he was denied the right to practise his living.[/quote]



You are a fool Ali was in training the entire time ,he was not in prison ,he was just banned from competing.He also had two fights before Frazier,who again let me remind you slower,smaller and weaker chinned,less skilled...he still WON.:nut

 

The headbutt can be seen in slow motion as stated you do not study the fights you only watch with beer goggles on...and who is elroy?Your imaginary friend? artytime

 

The truth will out Elroy. Glad to have you back, you daft fool.

 

You are a fool Ali was in training the entire time ,he was not in prison ,he was just banned from competing.He also had two fights before Frazier,who again let me remind you slower,smaller and weaker chinned,less skilled...he still WON.:nut[/quote]

He had under 18rounds of competition in nearly 4 years.

Punchy, you are entertaining up to a point, I feel that point
has been reached.:yep


Elroy Termite? sounds good:good

 

uh yea o.k you must be seat buddies with this boxingfan who also rides the short bus,anything else you imbecile?:smooch

 

He had under 18rounds of competition in nearly 4 years.

Punchy, you are entertaining up to a point, I feel that point
has been reached.:yep


Elroy Termite? sounds good:good[/quote]

You said he was FOBRIDDEN to PRACTICE his art,he was also back in the ring less than his 4 years about 3..MCLIAR!

 

Yeah, your site sucks.

 

You are a fool Ali was in training the entire time ,he was not in prison ,he was just banned from competing.He also had two fights before Frazier,who again let me remind you slower,smaller and weaker chinned,less skilled...he still WON.:nut[/QUOTE]

You're talking out your ass yet again, I think it was Angelo Dundee who was asked about the lay offs of Leonard and Ali. He said the difference was Leonard kept himself in shape whereas Ali got fat.

 

You said he was FOBRIDDEN to PRACTICE his art,he was also back in the ring less than his 4 years about 3..MCLIAR! [/quote]


I said nearly 4 years.
Ali's last fight during his first reign was against Zora Folley on22nd March 1967 His comeback fight was against Jerry Quarry
on 26th October 1970,that's 3 years and 7 months.
FOBRIDDEN?

Good old Punchy Elroy:good

 

You got that backwards... Frazier did not beat Ali at his best. Frazier however, was at his peak for their fight in 1971.. I was at the live PPV telecast for that one.. Frazier was never the same after the beating Ali laid on him that night. Frazier deserved the decision,the knockdown and a couple close rounds gives the champion the edge.. But Ali proved in that fight that he was one tough hombre, not just a flashy showman with lighting fast feet and hands.. He was a man... In the next two fights, Ali and Frazier were both worn from their wars...and Frazier had most of the sand knocked out of him by Foreman.. Then, who comes along and knocks the **** out Foreman..? Over the hill Ali. Styles make fights... and Ali had the style to beat anyone.. he had trouble with swarmers or clumsy arkward fighters .. He said after the Bonevena fight, "that guy is so dumb, he didn't even fall for my feints, didn't know what a feint was.. just kept plodding after me.." And Vlad, I'm not going to diss your hero.. I know you are sticking up for him because you like him.. but, he would have been way in over his head against Ali... who, like he said, was simply the GREATEST! :bbb He shook up the world!!!!!

 

You're talking out your ass yet again, I think it was Angelo Dundee who was asked about the lay offs of Leonard and Ali. He said the difference was Leonard kept himself in shape whereas Ali got fat.[/quote]



Actually you are the fool ,show a pic where he is fat? He trained daily.:nut