How would Ali beat Vlad?

Ali in the 60's would have lost easier to a frazier,he would not have the durability,even foreman picked Frazier of the 70's to beat ali of the 60's after they all retired when asked that question,i think he would know,stylistically he said frazier would always beat ali before he slowed down.I don't have heroes as I don't get my sources from old nostalgic rebuttable that is unproven like Tyson was made to order for foreman or shavers was a world beater,i just tell it like it is ..:bbb

 

Wlad sucks against fighters who actually move like Ali did. Ali would have given Wlad a beaten over 15 rounds.

 

I said nearly 4 years.
Ali's last fight during his first reign was against Zora Folley on22nd March 1967 His comeback fight was against Jerry Quarry
on 26th October 1970,that's 3 years and 7 months.
FOBRIDDEN?

Good old Punchy Elroy:good[/quote]






You obviously have the IQ of a rock,Being forbidden to PRACTICE "TRAIN" is what you said..however he trained daily in his suspension..you may want to look up the word "PRACTICE" you fool! Go find your imaginary elroy friend to guide you...mcDUMMY

 

No surprise this garbage post came from the clown who argued Wlad had equal speed to Ali and posted him working a speed bag as proof:nut

This post also proves you haven't a clue how to read a fight and have not watched Wlad or seen enough of his career despite your Wladgasam.

Haye's hand speed was nothing compared to historys great heavy weights and his footwork was neither fast nor very good.
You say he ran against Wlad?
You don't know what running is. He simply stayed in his half of the ring all night and got away with it because Wlad didn't want to go anywhere near him.
Wlads goal was to peck him off for a 12 round point decision. Haye wouldn't have lasted a round against Foreman , Shavers, Frazier , Tyson etc etc.
Wlad never faced a mover like Ali in his life and against an average slow footed Haye who using some basic head movement - Wlad couldn't even come close to putting him on the deck , never mind putting him out.

The closest Wlad ever faced to Ali was Williamson. He even said it was his goal to mimic Ali for the first 6 rounds then come on late.
He didn't even need 5 rounds. 4 rounds was enough to floor Wlad and empty the glass tank clean out of him.

Wlad can't hit guys with a hand full of salt if they are moving away from him. Nothing men Williamson proved and Haye proved it.
But this is Klitschko land and in here Willaimson and Haye are better than Ali:rofl:tired

 

Actually you are the fool ,show a pic where he is fat? He trained daily.:nut[/quote]

No he didn't.Read his autobiography. Ali was fat as a pig when he dieted for the Marciano computer fight in1969.

This is him after he dieted.

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You asked for a picture I've provided one, and one that was taken after Ali had done some training for the computer fight.

You are accumulating a body of irrefutable evidence from which one can only conclude you are knitting with only one needle.

 

that's because ANYONE can go on youtube and see or compare their overall hand speed!Only a fool like you cant see Wlads speed ,you are watching old Ali clips which frankly isn't really overly impressive to that of a modern light Hw or Cruiserweight.Take into account the bigger gloves of today as well.The other garbage doesn't even make sense..Wlad was a bit quicker in his earlier days ,he had a bit less muscle but overall wasn't a complete fighter,still better than ali though and would then without caution punch Ali into next year,he was an offensive machine that only the hardest of punchers would stop.


how fast was Ali at 220 plus pounds?

 

Many pages later and this uncletermite fool is still pedaling this ''Wlad is faster than Ali!'' nonsense.

 

The problem here mcdolt,that pick like any is one pic,the problem is when you watch the ACTUAL footage ali is clearly in shape and a bit more muscular....even months prior to the 71 quarry fight among the people around him ,including Ali HIMSELF says he was at his peak in 71...satterfeld was a sports journalist who covered Ali for weeks and said Ali never looked better!:smoke

 

The only thing you're pedling is nonsense...Frazier beats Tyson,huh?:yep

 

I don't think there's ever been a more clueless poster.
The words "total knowledge" and "back of a postage stamp" spring to mind.

 

Considering Fantasy Ali is gifted with teleportation, that goes without saying.

It doesn't matter that the amount of rounds Wlad ever lost to movers in reality can be counted on one hand when he's facing a demi-god boxing Nightcrawler.

 

He is out on his own,.atsch

 

You obviously have the IQ of a rock,Being forbidden to PRACTICE "TRAIN" is what you said..however he trained daily in his suspension..you may want to look up the word "PRACTICE" you fool! Go find your imaginary elroy friend to guide you...mcDUMMY [/quote]


No I said this :

"And Frazier did not best Ali at his best, that would have been during the 3 and a half years he was denied the right to practise his living"

As in fight for a living.atsch And you question my IQ

 

No I said this :

"And Frazier did not best Ali at his best, that would have been during the 3 and a half years he was denied the right to practise his living"

As in fight for a living.atsch And you question my IQ[/quote]

Denied..A.K.A not having ACCESS to train..again IQ of a rock!

Practicing and making a living are not the same you fool.atsch


Mcdummy you amaze me to even persue your own false accusation that he couldn't train while being banned! :nut


P.s ever heard of ....FORBIDDEN : ACCESS DENIED ?:smooch

 

Denied..A.K.A not having ACCESS to train..again IQ of a rock!

Practicing and making a living are not the same you fool.atsch


Mcdummy you amaze me to even persue your own false accusation that he couldn't train while being banned! :nut[/quote]

You said :

"You are a fool Ali was in training the entire time "

He wasn't. I never said he couldn't train I said he didn't train the entire time and he didn't.
Once more, I said he was denied the right to practise his living.
I can't make it any clearer for you , get someone to explain it to you, one of the other children.:good