Biggest inverse ratio of chin to knockdowns suffered. (best recoverers)

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    DeMarcus Corley - stopped only 6 times in 66 contests, two of those corner retirements.

    Went the distance with prime Randall Bailey (not going down once), prime Zab Judah (down 1x), prime Floyd Mayweather Jr. (down 2x), prime Junior Witter (down once, but not officially ruled), prime Devon Alexander (not down), Bailey again in a rematch (down 1x), Marcos Rene Maidana (down 1x), Thomas Dulorme (down 1x), Ruslan Provodnikov (not down), Gabriel Bracero (down 1x), and Viktor Postol (not down).

    That's eight knockdowns in distance contests. Add in the ones from his stoppage losses:

    Miguel Cotto x3
    Jose Alfaro x2
    Freddy Hernandez x1 (fight ending single blow, although Corley took it on a week's notice)
    Lucas Matthysse x9

    (not down against Manny Perez or Selcuk Aydin)


    ...and that is twenty-three career knockdowns, yet I assert that Corley has an excellent chin. :bart

    Being susceptible to knockdowns isn't the be-all end-all when it comes to chin, IMO. Recuperative powers are just as important. The guy who dribbles off the canvas fifty times in his career but is never kept down has a better chin IMO than someone who is only ever down a handful of times, but all of them leg-splattering, chicken-dancing, lights-out reactions to grazing blows.


    Along with Chop Chop, among active boxers, I'd say Juan Manuel Marquez (down officially eight times, never stopped) and Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam (down officially eleven times, never stopped) have the p4p greatest recovery.
     
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    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Good thread. I'm not a big Evander Holyfield fan in general, but I'd say he deserves mention here. I've never seen a HW seem as hurt as him so often and immediately come back to hurt his opponent. In some ways, it was his best trait. I recall it in particular happening in every Bowe fight and in the Foreman fight, but seems to have happened quite a bit more than that.
     
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    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Chris Algieri I'm thinking might be one of those guys.
     
  4. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    JMM comes to mind
     
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    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice discovery, surely Juan Manuel Marquez is up there for fantastic powers of recovery and a solid chin.

    Alvarado knocked him down
    Pacquiao knocked him down in 1,2 and 4
    Mayweather knocked him down
    Katsidis knocked him down.

    edit just saw you gave him props.
     
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    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Yeah, given his reputation for dusting himself off and coming back strong I was actually surprised to learn he is only in single digits in terms of knockdowns suffered. I figured he'd be up in the same territory as HNN around the dozen mark, if not closer to Corley. Most of his come from the Pacquiao rivalry alone, though...five of his eight.

    I don't think you'll find too many guys like Corley with over twenty knockdowns suffered about whom you can reasonably argue "...but they have an excellent chin". :think
     
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    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Sergio Martinez had a great chin in spite of his many knockdowns a fact that seems to be lost on most people. He was never KO'd froma head shot, it was the body work from Margo and he was young and not ready for Tony, and Cotto didn't knock him out.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nigel Benn! Down heavily against Logan, DeWitt and McClellan and went on to STOP them.
     
  9. Carl Thompson.
     
  10. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Salido kinda comes to mind as well.
     
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    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Martínez was down nine times. If you subtract the farcical Cotto loss when he fought on a bum knee, only six.

    (1x each, officially, against Chavez Jr., Murray and Macklin - although Chavez Jr. had another one uncredited...then once each in Williams, Pavlik I, and Margarito in the 1st round, though he gamely trudged on through another six rounds of punishment and was ultimately stopped on his feet)
     
  12. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The first person I thought of when I saw this thread was JMM who has already been mentioned.
     
  13. devon2

    devon2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Obvious answer is obvious:Arturo Gatti
     
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    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Richard Williams dropped him twice IIRC in their first match, you forget them.
     
  15. Charles Brewer.