David Tua versus Jim Corbett

What are you talking about? Find me a fight with a 180-pound boxer from 1880 with 11 wins who held his hands at his sides and leaned straight back from punches, and a fast, 240-pound slugger a 100 years later with 43 KOS (who KOed two former champs in less than 30 seconds), and I will.

:-(

I don't know what you're discussing.

The rest of us are talking about a smallish novice pioneer of the sport with 5 KOs, against one of the best punchers in the game 100 years later.

But if you can find the equivalent of Corbett vs Tua today, I'll gladly make that wager.

Any 180-pounders with limited skills and only 10 wins going up against someone 60 pounds heavier who is also the best puncher in the sport? I don't see that bout on any upcoming schedules.

But just let me know.:hi::roll:

 

And please let me know of ALL of Corbett's pro fights that everyone everywhere is leaving out. :roll:

 

Obviously we would have to work with the current sanctioning rules, but I am permitting you to pick a fighter who is a complete can, or one who is only in their current weight class because they are overweight.

That is giving you a hell of alot to work with!

Surely you must be able to find some fighter who would be less qualified to last beyond the first round than Corbett, and put your money where your mouth is.

 

Obviously we don’t know them all, because records of the period are notoriously incomplete.

Some contemporary newspaper clippings, attribute several times that number of fights to Corbett.

Either way, if you look at a boxrec profile from before the First World War, it is almost a foregone conclusion that it is going to be incomplete.

 

The International Boxing Hall of Fame lists his record as 11-4-3.

 

Corbett wouldn't even beat Maywether!:shock:

 

Who knows.

That's the problem with some of these threads. These pioneers of the sport need to be respected. They helped build it.

But head-to-head mythical matchups between them and people 100 years later are going to be, if we're honest, nearly always very one-sided in favor of the later fighters.

It's the same in every sport. I mean, Amos Stagg was one of the first people inducted into Basketball's hall of fame. He played during the late 1800s and early 1900s and was considered an athletic multi-sport marvel.

But I'm not picking Amos Stagg over Scotty Pippen in a mythical game of one-on-one.

You can respect pioneers. But some here go WAY overboard.

Corbett isn't hanging with Tua ... not in any fantasy scenario.

 

Corbett-Rigondeaux is a better fight than Corbett-Tua.

 

There isn’t any source of information available to them, that isn’t available to us.

You seem to think that the Archangel blows a golden trumpet, reads out a fighter’s complete record, and that becomes their Boxrec profile.

It is very much a work in progress, and one that will probably never be complete.

 

So size really doesn’t count for anything then?

You can’t have it both ways.

 

I don't "seem" to think anything like that.

I'm just a realist.

 

Not if you think that a Boxrec profile from the late 19th century, is likely to represent a fighters complete career record.

That is a completely unrealistic expectation.

 

I never brought up boxrec. You keep bringing it up.

I've seen historians list a lot of Corbett fights, but they include every sparring match, every exhibition, every "street fight", every charity event, every "wrestling" match ... every time he every stepped between the ropes at any point ever.

If we did that for everyone, Ali would have 500 HUNDRED fights. If you included every sparring session he ever took part in, so would Tua.

Corbett's pro log is generally accepted as 11-4-3.

But if you want to tell us the other 40 or so pro fights he REALLY had, like Tua REALLY had, go ahead.

Otherwise, it's 11-4-3.

 

Maybe so, though I do have a hard time believing that one of the best known sportsmen of his day managed to have dozens of fights without anyone recording them anywhere.

Tua walks through him IMO.

 

I can when one of the best boxers p4p in boxing history is going up against an undersized 180/190 pounder with prehistoric skills!Even if Corbett somehow catches Mayweather its still lasts longer than a Tua fight,because Corbett is hurt on the first punch landed and its either lights out there or the beginning of the end.:gsg