How would Ali beat Vlad?

No,you said with better management Ruddock could have been in Co*ney's placea against Holmes and I've posted your exact quote in the earlier post.You're a fool and its not a secret

 

I can't post links but Ali was fat as hell for the Marciano computer fight thing[/QUOTE]

I posted a photo of Ali in the ring with Marciano he is in" civilian" shape rolls of suet around his waist and hips. UncleGermite just ignored it. The guy's a troll.

 

:good Please post all that I've backtracked on I'm looking forward to it.
Why not make a thread about it,then I can counter with some of your more ridiculous statements? The challenge is laid down!
All you have to do is accept it!

 

Glad to see this thread has gone back on track.

Ali was brilliant in the 1960's. But who did he really beat in the 1960's to prove it. Liston who quit and took a dive, and....the next best win is over Terrell who got poked in the eye early.

I think Wlad beats the Ali who defeated Foreman, and would be favorite over him from 1974 to the end of his career.

The thing is you just can't count Ali out. He could seize victory in fights where he's losing or had to switch tactics.

And you can't underestimate Wlad's over skills, smarts and size advantage which could cancel out many of the things Ali does well.

It would be a whale of a fight.

Could Ali take Wlad's hook or right hand?

Would Wlad's clinching and extra weight and size wear down Aii?

Would Ali accuracy and fast hands make Wlad swell up?

How would Ali deal with a bigger man with skills?

 

The more pertinent question is who did he duck in the 60's? Answer, no one!
How about who has Wlad beaten ? As in which ATG has he mastered?
Wach
Pianeta
Rahman
Mormeck
Leapai
Jennings

Or which other all time great has Wlad made his bones on?:think Where are the Liston's, the Foreman's, the Frazier's, the Norton's on his resume?:huh

 

you can try and twist anything you like,ive corrected you on many things,im not about to go find them all as it would take all day,however if memory dserves me correctly werenty you the one who had the incorrect ages for the Ali/Williams fight,not that it matters because that's just one of dozens!

If I get the urge maybe I will look for all your idiot misinformed quotes im sure many posters would like to see you look even more like afool than you have been for years on here,though from the few mesasages I got it seems you are indeed one of the 'PINIATAS" on here.:yep

 

Heres another WINNING post by the all great Mcidiot.... firstly Ali fought an out of prime Liston who iwas said to be actually around 40, he didn't win against a prime Frazier who was a mere 205 pounds,he defeated one of the most terrible boxers in the 70's foreman who basically had just a telegraphing power punching and would be just another face in this era of super HW's,and Norton defeated him also....yea good one! :-(

 

No not me. You're confusing me with guy who said Williams was ten years past his prime when he challenged Ali.

THAT GUY BEING YOU! The same guy who said when Holmes went, Ruddock could have taken his place.Holmes lost his title to Spinks in1985 .

Ruddock didn't even fight for the Canadian domestic title until 1988!

Now look, I've just had a nice lunch in town with my partner accompanied with a decent bottle of Pouilly Fume'.

So I'm currently in a generous mood, have yourself a little think ,and decide if you want this daily ritualistic humiliation to continue , because I can do this forever.:vonne****

What do you say?

Why don't you draw stumps now before it begins to impact on your obviously fragile psyche ?

 

You really need to start relaxing a little more..................

 

Yeah I know all work and no play etc :yep

 

That's because he was past his prime within those years..you seem to think by me stating williams was ten years past his prime"HE WAS" means you have any meaningful argument..Williams wouldn't have even medically cleared to fight Ali by todays standards?atsch

Ruddock does not have any meaning here however with BETTER management would not have even been fighting in Canada anyway!atsch


you only humiliated yourself and did all the work mcidiot!

 

As a Wladimir critic I've realised you can only have a pop at him so much while he keeps winning. Certainly his hook off the jab, cross and ability to maintain distance is excellent. However, as you mentioned yourself, Ali's ability to switch tactics was special. He may struggle but at some point he's going to pull the trigger and get results.

Though close in dimensions Ali would absolutely not occupy that gun-shy world David Haye was bullied into. His talent would dissolve the tale of the tape which isn't all that severe anyway (82" reach).

 

Ali would have little chance setting any tempo with wlads jab,Ali always had to rest and measure when hit even small folley out jabbed him in two rounds and made him reset,Ali did not like simple jabs thrown at him,thats why Norton beat him and gave him trouble.

 

Norton gave Ali a lot of trouble because of that hybrid style of boxing then applying pressure. It was difficult to read which is why a knockout was the best policy. Though Wladimir is very good at what he does it's no secret. With Ali's reach, speed and smarts he'd be able to get at the big man instead of being endlessly dictated to.

You undoubtedly need a lot going for you to defeat the modern, economic Wladimir, but Ali has just that.

 

Glad to see this thread has gone back on track.

Ali was brilliant in the 1960's. But who did he really beat in the 1960's to prove it. Liston who quit and took a dive, and....the next best win is over Terrell who got poked in the eye early.

I think Wlad beats the Ali who defeated Foreman, and would be favorite over him from 1974 to the end of his career.

The thing is you just can't count Ali out. He could seize victory in fights where he's losing or had to switch tactics.

And you can't underestimate Wlad's over skills, smarts and size advantage which could cancel out many of the things Ali does well.

It would be a whale of a fight.

Could Ali take Wlad's hook or right hand?

Would Wlad's clinching and extra weight and size wear down Aii?

Would Ali accuracy and fast hands make Wlad swell up?

How would Ali deal with a bigger man with skills?

Ali was not an aggressive fighter unless he needed to be. Tyson said it best, everyone has a plan until they hit. And when Wlad hits them flush, they either go down or change tactics ( Hurt or stung from the punch ) realizing the quickest way to get their own chin checked again is to keep pressing it.

You also have to ask, how would the clinching go. I think Wlad's way. He's super strong and has 25-30 pounds on Ali

Ali outside of Liston was the Lyle fight, which could be viewed as an early stoppage was not one punch type of guy. Its not like Ali hit on Sanders or Brewster's level.

Wlad's foot speed and defense is severally under rated, and Ali was pretty much a head hunter so defense for Wlad would be easier, and Ali wasn't an in-fighter, which makes things easier for Wlad as well.

It could come down to Wlad's superior weaponry, power and size vs. Ali's championship guts and ability to rise to the occasion.

I think Wlad could knock Ali out. I also think Ali could suddenly come on and land a good one that turns the tides

One thing is for certain the rope a dope would not work with Wlad, and Ali could not afford to play to the crowd.