Rock vs Iron

you still left out that guys like Briggs are 260 now...and around 6'3 ish huge fighters,fighting at 185 is good if you are not fighting giants...however you still left out that added size doesn't help your stamina which he would be even slower if he puts that weight on..heart only goes so far.Tyson had the greatest defense ever at one point along with arguably speed where does Marciano have these 2 abilities that are even close to Tysons? Marciano was not a combo puncher either,he would not fare well at all in the HW division post 60's...vs Tyson?He gets mauled.I don't even know if Marciano would beat Olympic Tyson before his pro debut.

 

If they're fighting in 6 ounce gloves, Marciano better have his last will and testament in order, because it won't be pretty for him. Can you imagine prime Tyson in those little gloves? I don't think Tyson ever fought in anything less than 10 ounce gloves in his career.

 

it would look like Marvis Frazier that's how that fight goes...not even close to being even a fair fight.:yep

 

Marciano better have his life insurance policy and last will in order regardless of what size gloves they use. But I wouldn't want to be hit by prime Tyson in 6 ounce gloves, that's for sure.

 

Wow. An old, white midget wants us to believe that Rocky was a giant. Color me surprised.

Yes, in some rarer cases, and Marciano did not have the correct bone structure. Again, he had a sub 40 inch chest with fairly well developed lats and back muscles. He just wasn't that big in any way (that I know of). He is just a small-boned individual by heavyweight stanards.

Tua and Tyson were over 200 pounds in their teens. I have met both. They were enormous human beings despite being short. There is no way that either could make 185 fully developed adults. Again, their bone structure was that of large men, wide, deep chests, large, wide shoulders..

Outside of some posters on this site, Peter Marciano is the most unreputable, un-objective source on Marciano available. Thanks for citing him. If Marciano, as truncated and slow as he was, were 215, he would be lacking that great flexibility at the waist which allowed him to be harder to hit. At 215, he would be a bowling pin waiting to be knocked down.

Bull****. I was at Tua's training camp and saw him fight live. He delivered a punch extremely quickly. You could say he didn't get in position quickly when he was heavy. But when light, his feet moved well. He did throw a punch very, very quickly, even in combination. You are patently incorrect here.

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And you go on to claim that Rocky trained harder by massive degrees than any fighter among the hundreds of thousands who have taken up the sport. Sorry if I find that ridiculous. I have witnessed training camps of supposed lazy fighters and seen the protocols of fighters from the past. I have competed in another sport along side Olympians, seen them train, seen them rest, seen the whole deal. Rocky trained hard. So did hundreds of other fighters. He was human. He also needed rest and recuperation, the most important counter measure to hard training. Trust me, there is only so hard an individual can train with out it being a detriment. Rocky was not Superman. He was a fine tuned, excellent fighting machine who would be a great cruiserweight in the era past his.

 

Tyson at any year would be better than anyone who fought Marciano...throw 96 Tyson in the 40's and he would look something out of a horror movie even then.On what video evidence would Tyson need to be at his best?I don't even think Marciano would beat Tokyo Tyson.Two total different skill sets and styles.Marciano vs Frazier would be more realistic,that you can make a case for.

 

I respect your appraisal of Marciano. He was truly an all time great in terms of fighting ability and fighting heart. We can bicker over the rest but none of it is more important that what I just wrote.

 

Berbick most certainly did want to get up, hence him falling over twice more, and was visibly angry with himself that his legs were failing him.

Tyson didn't beat his opponents by scaring them. He did it by beating the cr*p out of them with a very formidable combination of speed, skills and power.

 

You are NEVER going to dishearten Tyson if you are 30 lbs lighter, naturally weaker, lighter and slower punching, and you go straight at him.

If you are bigger, stronger, with a good jab, and able to tie him up whenever he gets close you have a very good chance of disheartening him after 5 or 6 rounds, but NO WAY, the first sentence types are going to do it.

 

I often flip flopped on the Marciano/Frazier match up..i picked Marciano though then I studied him more and while he hits harder does Fraziers more punch out put get to him?this would have to be broken down on another thread...Ali thought Marciano would win,however even fighters usually do not get it right often.Frazier has taking hard punchers but lost,Marciano as a whole has won vs similar like puncjhers to Frazier...Fraziers power is somewhat overatted,it all comes down to chin in this one for me,and that's a 50/50.Glove size should also be taken into account.what ounces could influence giving Marciano an edge here.


I don't believe Louis would beat Marciano at any year...stylistically Louis has even stated that.He didn't like pressure fighters,he had extreme difficulties with them..Galento,Conn,Baer...yes he won but he was either dropped or losing the fight at some point...Marciano k.os Louis eventually.