Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

Well Greg, my very best wishes to you. Come out fighting!

 

Condolences, and best of luck to Greg. I never liked the phrase so and so I lost their battle to canc*r One doesn't lose to cancer, they simply pass the baton on to the next to defeat it and educate the physicians along the way.

 

Thank you Mendoza and fists of fury for your kindness, so far I am doing well although the chemo knocks me about some days, like now my feet and hands are swollen so playing the guitar is out for today and that's the worst thing, I need to play guitar a lot, it is my profession and my solace and it makes me happy.

 

I pray for the best for u

 

Greg, I wish you the best of luck in your bout with cancer.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Best of luck to you, greg. Keep fighting the good fight

 

Believe what you want. Its a fake. Its not even a film from the twenties. Id live to talk to this "forensic expert" and these members of ibro who think they could positively identify it. I find all of that humorous. Nevermind that i know enough about kurt and this story to know its bull****. No one here or anywhere else who actually believes this whopper can explain why they have so much faith in a guy who had previously been caught peddling counterfeit greb films three times, one of which was this film under a different name. Those supposed experts (and anyone who pays can be an ibro member, it doesnt make you an expert on anything anymore than paying your gym dues does) were quick to support kurt but none were aware this was a night fight and the film was shot at daytime. I also ask if the expert or anyone else had actually seen the reel of film, not a vhs or dvd, but the reel. The answer would be no, because anyone who examined the film and us familiar with film could date it by the edge code. Noway does the edge code for this film predate 1930 but given that it has generational video distortion you can bet kurt only owns an old vhs copy. Some people may want to believe this film exists but thats whats coloring their perception, not any proof of which there is none. I wont even get into how ridiculous it is to believe that anyone would have to the expense and troubke of filming such an unimportant fight in such relative backwater at a time when there was an interstate ban films and then never advertised it etc. Ridiculous. Never happened, but believe what you want.

 

Who cares what you say, you proved you belong in the gutter yesterday.

 

Get well Greg stay strong

 

Thanks I appreciate that.

 

Klompton,

I don't want to sound condescending, but sometimes you are your own worst enemy. You have not seen it. How can you be sure? I sent you a PM. IF you want more details reply and I can offer you some names.

Here's a summary of matching evidence from the Greb vs Gans footage from 1926. The footage was closely examined by a face and body identification expert, with thousands of cases of video forensic experience with law enforcement in Minnesota.

1- Height of Greb matches
2- Body width matches
3- Same chest split
4- same unusual nibbles location
5- same dimensions of face
6- same referee
7- same opponent
8- same weather (drizzle ) conditions
9- same punch that wobbled Greb (right hand)
10- correct round getting wobbled (6th)
11- inoculation of left arm
12- same fighting stance.
13- correct era box camera at ringside.

Don't you think all of the above is enough?

The film is at night.

 

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that it's a miracle and the footage is real. What happens now? Does it get sold to some rich collector and is never seen again? Or is there a chance that the common man gets to see it?

 

The boxing people I know / and linked to are rather good. They don't bother with the web for the most part, so I don't quote them here.

There was a breakthrough in making film practical for home users was the introduction of safety film in the 1920s, which eliminated the need for nitrate film. This means any boxing match of the time did not need to be filmed by a company.

The film was purchased by a known collector, and closely examined by seasoned historians, boxing authors, and by a film expert. This is not one man crying wolf. This is a case of several boxing people who know each other saying its for real.

What happens? I suppose there can be private screenings. Or the film can be purchased for a lot of money with a set of rules attached to the purchase. In the past I have hoped some collectors could strike a deal with the boxing hall of fame. A small theater can be built where showings for the fans can be seen. Sell the tickets in advance and show the films during the HOF induction week where I'm sure many would pay to see it, and perhaps a few other times a year.

You'd have to hire a security person check for cameras and such, but I think this would be a away to safely monetize rare films and show them without fear of the web or someone else stealing a copy.

IMO, boxing history is too important to be held in the hands of a select few.

 

I wonder what the value of such a film would be?

 

Well, Mendoza sounds convinced, I must say. I hold thumbs that he is right.