Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

Let us hope so WH. Not too many years ago some guy stumbled across a film of Harry Greb training for his bout with Mickey Walker in 1925. He found this rare film in a college archive sitting there for many decades...I was lucky to get a copy of this wonderful film of Greb sparring and training on the roof of Phil.
Jack O'Briens gym in NYC. Let us hope that perchance, a clip of this amazing fighter Harry Greb in a real bout, is somehow discovered...

 

Once again let's hope so Burt, it would be like Christmas!!

 

You don't know that I haven't seen this footage anymore than Kurt or anyone else can positively identify it.

Not on this film, not anymore than your imaginary bruise can be seen on Johnson-Ketchel.

Youd think that wouldn't you but then I posted Kurts own stills which are the exact same stills. But of course you love to argue hopeless cases so you ignore those.

If Kurt succeeds in selling this film for as much as he has been asking then I would say there is a very good chance it winds up in court when the buyer sees what hes paid for and I would love to testify against Kurt as an expert in both Greb and boxing films.

Exactly, and yet I have posted you proof that Kurt was first selling this film, with screenshots, as Greb-Tate and now Greb-Gans, again, apparently you have ignored that irrefutable fact.

How can you say the fight goes EXACTLY like the press described it? You are basing that off a one paragraph wire report. And again, THIS FILM IS IN THE DAYTIME, THAT FIGHT WAS FOUGHT AT NIGHT!!! Why you ****ing morons feel the need to ignore salient facts that totally refute this claim just goes to show how badly you either want to argue or are willing to believe something because you want it so bad.

Kurt is the one who called it a 16mm FILM not me. You are arguing from a position of ignorance. Im only arguing the points as Kurt states them. If Kurt is lying and it wasn't a 16mm film then, again, whose credibility does that hurt, his or mine??

Home recorders?? Like I said, what is the earliest home movie of a fight film you've ever seen? What is the smallest 16mm home movie camera you've seen from this era? How bright would the lights have to be at that local ball field to illuminate not just the ring but the entire film so it appeared like day and still provided enough light that the low exposure speed film of that era could take such a bright image? Go back and look at the film of Dempsey-Tunney 1 or 2. The lights at those stadiums were so bright they could be seen from miles away (I know because I have newspaper photos showing both stadiums from miles away the night of the fight with the ring illuminated) yet you could still tell in both fights that they were night fights. Yet somehow Wilkes Barre, PAs local ball field had lights that not only outshone Soldier Field and Sesquicentennial Stadium but actually outshone the sun as well and illuminated the field like day... You bull**** doesn't add up.

You are going to lecture me on a film I found?? If you don't think I had that film before anyone else you can go ask Clay himself who came here and took credit for that. Ask Clay how he found out that film even existed. You can ask ANYONE who ever knew that film existed and that story starts with me. You don't have to believe it. Now, don't mistake my silence on that with my irritation at a con man who is trying to take advantage of people less well informed.

I wouldn't trade with Kurt if he had Harry Greb's entire life story filmed. Id rather drink turpentine and **** on a brush fire than trade anything I have for anything he has. You think I cant live with the idea of not having a fake Greb film. Ive been living Decades without a Greb film in my life and can continue doing so for the rest of my life. When a Greb film surfaces I'll hear of it eventually. One hasn't yet.

Im not interested in what he could do. Im interested in what he has done and what he actually has. He has pulled this **** before and he currently has no film of Greb-Gans. That's all that's germaine to me. He COULD also sprout wings and fly (which is more likely than this film being Greb-Gans) but Im not interested in waiting for that to happen.

I don't believe anyone in law enforcement who specializes in video has ever looked at this film. That's Kurt's story. Lets talk to this so called expert. As for IBRO Ive already given you my opinions on them. You pay a fee to join a club and it doesn't make you an expert anymore than joining the boy scouts makes you Bear Grylls. So because some guy pays a fee to IBRO they are infallible? They are human beings and as such they suffer from the same frailties as the rest of us. Ive already told you what your "writer expert" said about this film. He said he thought it was Greb because that's what he imagined Greb to look like on film. Ridiculous. If the film collector is the same guy I conversed with he DID NOT agree that it was genuine. He had a guy go look at it for him and the guy said it was a waste of time. Regardless, things like this are based on more than mere opinion of what you THINK someone should look like when appearing in a film. Period. Which goes back to the actual provenance of the film. The edge code. The context in which films were produced in that era. The stocks, their limitations, how they were used. How the film itself was produced. When someone pops up every couple of years with a papyrus of some lost gospel of the bible do you think its authenticated by some arm chair expert saying "that's what I thought a lost book of the bible might say" No. Its held to rigorous standard. This should be no different. If that same papyrus popped up and the guy who was claiming he had found it had already been caught three separate times with counterfeit papyri would you believe him? I wouldn't.

Fools? Maybe. I certainly would be embarrassed to make the claims they have made based on the above. I would question why anyone would be so quick to jump to a conclusion. I think a better test would have been, instead of Kurt taking his film around and putting the bug in peoples ear that he had found a film of Greb (which he had already misidentified once). Why not take it to these so called experts and say: "Ive got this film. Im not going to tell you anything about it. I want you to tell me what you think it is." Wouldn't that be a better approach? Instead he took a ****ty, multigenerational copy around, told people who he thought it was, and suddenly it becomes a rorschach test where everyone sees what they WANT to see and have already been led in that direction.

 

How did Langford look vs Lang?

 

Langford looks like a proto Tyson vs Lang. That's a neat fight.

 

I hope it turns out you are wrong just so we can laugh at you and because you are such an unlikeable so and so, and gee what a long post,

 

Trolls will troll. Now get back under your bridge.

 

How many dollars does Kurt want for the footage anyway?

 

Get stuffed you grub, ain't going anywhere, just wish I had a chance to belt you in your big gob. c'est la vie

 

Kurt wants a couple of hundred for it maybe except for Klompton, kurt told me it would cost Klompgrub 10 million bucks.

 

Yes he looks a monster.I wonder if there is any truth to the story that the promoter filled his gloves with rabbits fur to give Lang a a chance?:think

 

The last I heard it was in the $1,000s. $10,000 I think. Id have to go back and look. Doug, who posts here sometimes, had a long facebook post about it and how Kurt had some shady investment guy handing out handbills announcing his intent to sell it at one of the fights in Vegas for $1000s. I cant recall how much it was though. I'll ask him here shortly. My other computer with all of that info on it crashed and Im reformatting it right now so as soon as that's done I'll contact him and post more details.

 

My bad, I found it. It was $100,000 he was asking. LOL.

 

Wow If i could afford it and had money to throw away i wouldn't after the name changing from Greb v Tate to Gans.It stinks