Klitschko vs Bowe

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  1. BCS8

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    This is on the money. :good

    Bowe made his reputation fighting a great fighter that he outweighed by ... oh, 30 lb or so. :-( Even Holyfield says the only reason Bowe fought him was because he thought that he could use his size advantage to win.

    Lewis would indeed have turned Bowe inside out.

    I give Wlad and Vitali an EXCELLENT chance of beating Bowe.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You base this off what?

    The Golota fights were at the end of Bowes career and he still beat the best , undefeated prime and hungry version of Golota that ever stepped in the ring- twice.

    That Golota was twice the boxer both Klitschkos were. He could dam near do everything.
    Show me a 6'5 HW who could bob n weave like Golota could?

    Klits can't move their head much less move their upper bodies to slip , parry and counter like Golota did against Bowe.

    How does past prime Bowe beating that Golota say anything about how the lesser skilled Klitschko' would beat a prime Bowe:huh

    Go look at Bowe dismantle 6'7 Gonzalez who beat Bowe and Lewis in the ams.

    Bowe also was chasing a fight with prime Tommy Morrison in 93 and Newman sued Dan Duva - Morrisons promoter for preventing the match-up.

    Every promoter and manger tried to freeze Bowe out of the scene because of Rock Newman. Most wanted no part of him, including Lewis who would have been out classed and embarrassed by Bowe around that time.

    The only thing Wlad could do against Bowe is hold and thats a critical error against the best super heavy weight inside fighter there ever was.
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You remember wrong. And you remember nothing about boxing because you never knew anything about it in the first place.
     
  4. BCS8

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    I think I remember at least as well as you do.

    :rofl

    Oh, dear. Poor ol' Dino - the guy who has lost numerous bets based off his extensive "knowledge" of boxing - sees fit to call somebody a know-nothing :nut Dino, the same guy who can't even manage to spell a boxer's name properly, is THE authority on the subject :nut Gosh it must be an interesting experience to be you.

    Let's be serious now: your only area of expertise is in bet-welching (because you have no honour) and trolling.

    I don't think that your trolling is intentional, rather it is the result of your intellect running full-tilt into a steaming locomotive, and then teaming up with your OCD hatred of anything starting with a Kl and ending in an kO.

    I strongly suggest that you take some time off to recover your senses, watch some boxing videos (you may want to start with Golota/Bowe to see what really happened) and take remedial English.

    Consider yourself dismissed.

    :hi:
     
  5. Berlenbach

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    I don't know how anyone could make a case for Bowe winning based on the Golota fights. Golota losing had much more to do with Golota being a complete head case than anything Bowe was doing, which was little more than taking a pounding, twice. Wlad and Vitali aren't low blowers.

    Bowe's entire rep is based on a beating a much smaller legendary fighter who was always hot and cold as a heavyweight. He never showed he could best a good heavyweight his own size. Nearly all the big dangerous heavies of his era are absent from his record, and that's not an accident. The only time he fought one, he got an all-time beating from Golota, and they only picked him because he was thought to be a bum (Bowe's description).
     
  6. BCS8

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    Thank you. The voice of reason.

    :cool:
     
  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You don't read very well.

    Go back and re-read because I never based Bowe to beat Klitschko's off any Golota fight.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

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    Bowe could be out boxed. The fights against Tubbs, Golota, Hide, the 2nd Holyfield fight and Biggs showed movement and a jab could give him problems. He did his best against smaller men who would fight him on the inside where Bowe was so exceptional for a big man.

    Wlad and Vitali would not come to him or fight try and beat Bowe at his own game. There size, jabs and movement would see Bowe struggle, it would not be an easy fight for the slow footed, easy to hit Bowe.

    Vitali controlled range very well, had a great work rate and an iron chin. It would be competitive as we saw how Lewis was able to dominate Vitali on the inside. Bowe's uppercut would be dangerous. Much like his fight with Lewis, Vitali would outbox Bowe from range but would be vulnerable in the clinches.

    I could see Bowe being ouboxed and lose a decision but I could also see Bowe come on strong late and win a close decision if he can get inside often enough. But if forced to pick a winner I'd look at how they did against similar opposition. Hide out boxed and hurt Bowe before being KO'ed but was destroyed by Vitali. Donald lost a clear decision to Bowe but was stopped late by Vitali. So I say Vitali wins a clear decision.

    How Wlad does will come down to how Bowe deals with Wlad's power. Bowe is far too easy to hit to think he won't have to eat some serious leather to get inside on Wlad. If Bowe can show the heart he did against Golota he could take the fight late and win via a KO coming back from being well behind on the scorecards. But Wlad hit's much harder the Golota, much, much harder.

    Wlad will clinch to smother Bowe's inside game and is bigger and stronger so if allowed to clinch he could completely shut down Bowe's inside game, making it a much easier fight. I think it's a winnable fight for Bowe but I think the majority of the time Wlad KO's Bowe before Bowe can KO Wlad.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    Golota showed us many of Bowes flaws and Golota was limited next to the Klitschko. Vitali was ahead of Lewis and took his punches well. Bowe took a decent shot but did not fight the punchers that Vlad or Vitali fought, he gave up a title not to fight Lewis. So that planet you are from must be called wishful speculation. Coetzer was even easier to hit than Bowe, ask George Foreman and others.....now you insulted my credability and convinced me that you a pure troll I will look at you that way
     
  10. dinovelvet

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    Golota was more well rounded than Wlad and was a solid inside fighter unlike Wlad. That's where he got to Bowe.

    You do nothing but list all of Bowe's flaws while listing all of Wlads strengths as your case.
    Wlad couldn't keep Calvin Brock at the end of his jab and was being out boxed by him so i asked you to show me who Wlad kept at the end of his jab for the entirety of the fight?
    If he couldn't keep Sam Peter at bay , how does he keep Bowe at bay???
    Your credibiality on this matter has been compromised since you typed about a made up Wlad that does not exist.
     
  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Wlad doesn't have the mobility or head movement to avoid the long , fast right hand of Bowe.
    Wlad stands there and plays a fencing game , waiting to catch anybody who moves in.
    He isn't catching any right hand from Bowe. Look at the battering Gonzalez took in the first round. He was bigger than Wlad and better than the big guys Wlad beat. Wach, Pianeta etc
    You mentioned guy Bowe beat. What about the guys who Wlad was beaten by? And struggled with? None anywhere near the level of Bowe.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    =dinovelvet;17400460]Coetzer got up faster than he went down. Moments later Duplooy was bombed out for the count. Thats comparable to Vitali touching the canvas against Sanders , which should rightfully have been counted as a KD.
    How was it Coetzer never touched canvas against Bowe and Foreman despite taking their best flush on the button?
    Thats an example of a tried and tested chin right there.

    Vitali crumbled to pieces from a jab and uppercut from Lewis. Whose his chin tried and tested against?[/QUOTE]

    It was a legit knockdown.. Vitali's knockdown against Sanders was highly in question and Sanders was a better fighter than Johnny Duplooy was anyway, even in the diminished state he was in. You still haven't answered the question of which punchers Coetzer "beat" that were better than the punchers Vitali "beat."
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    It was a legit knockdown.. Vitali's knockdown against Sanders was highly in question and Sanders was a better fighter than Johnny Duplooy was anyway, even in the diminished state he was in. You still haven't answered the question of which punchers Coetzer "beat" that were better than the punchers Vitali "beat." And Vitali never crumbled against Lewis. He was taking shots that would have put most fighters in the intensive care unit and in fact was winning that match... His skin cut and gave out... Not his chin or his heart.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    I keep trying to tell you i based his chin status of his losses , not his victories.
    And getting up off the matt to immeadiately win by KO means you have a good chin , not a bad one.
    When Vitali held on for his life against Lewis , the fight left his body. That came from the heart , not the skin.
     
  15. BCS8

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    :nut

    Looks like somebody had their little nap, and that they're energised for yet another round of hating ... :-(