How would Ali beat Vlad?

I don't know only one example when a 37 years old fat (without
significant muscle mass) all-time bum type Sanders destroyed the
prime Ali in the second round and knocked down him 4 times.

 

Great post man.. why did I waste all those words...you summed it up with just a few short undeniable facts.. :happy

 

Except that guy was about 6'4 230 and in very good shape...how much shape was a 6'0 180 pound,malnutritioned looking Cooper when he floorded Ali before the bell saved him?

Sanders was also a southpaw with actual skill and speed,the initial head butt stunned him anyway,you see one has to actually watch the fights to make a logical point of view and how many years is Wlad undefeated in REAL time now? How come Ali lost practically half the rounds with a SLOW bummy fighter of 6'0 190 pounds with a glass jaw ,WEAK puncher in Mildenberger,his own southpaw?See like many Ali fights the actual fight is much different than the judges scorecards.,you even have liston who was well known to throw at least a fight and was around 40 way past his prime anyway as one of his best wins,anyone who could box would beat Foreman,i guess you missed the J.young fight to?go to youtube and watch how Paul Malignaggi broke this fight down if you don't respect any points of view on here that resembles reality...:yep



Wlad has the better jab/Defense/right hand/left hook/and distance in size combined with speed is alis worst nightmare and would know how to cut the ring off...Chin is also debatable since as "FOREMAN" stated he is fighting guys who were stronger than even him when he was in his youth.....yea sure Ali is better,posters like townes will buy into that nonsense ,I however actually study the fighters abilities not whos more popular........:nut

 

that wasn't a bad post :bbb

plus I haven't read you boasting about your fighting abilities ever since I and a few others called you out on it :deal

good for you:good

 

Ali's my favourite fighter and he's still the greatest heavyweight ever in my opinion, and I think would beat Wlad, but that's a great post.
It all depends how good the bigger fighters actually are. In a lot of cases the smaller guy could make up for the physical deficiencies by simply having more talent, but it's obviously hard to make a case for the smaller guy when the bigger guy also has talent which Wlad obviously has.
Being an older fella on here I don't blanket dismiss Wlad against the prominent heavies of the past, he'd probably beat most of them, I just don't think he beats Ali.

 

Ya damn commie! :twisted:

 

This only concludes that you never saw Haye box outside the Wlad fight.

Tony Galento would put a pasting on Haye. Haye was dropped by lesser boxers than Galento so where did you get the notion that Haye is some defensive wizard from:huh

Anybody who got stuck into Haye either floored him or knocked him out.
Lock-Barret- Mormek-Thompson. And don't forget his epic struggle against no name Euro Bum Frogomeni. Wlad would have if he had a chin and a pair of nuts.

You keep telling yourself that Haye would have avoided shots from all the big hitters Joe Louis faced:nut

 

How about the fact that Wlad had some trouble landing against Jennings, because of his movement?

 

yea right..Louis would be one of his easiest fightsd,just a stay in your face fighter,it would look worse than his opening minute with Braddock who leveled him in about a minute 10 seconds of the FIRST round,very wishful thinking around here,very little realism,louis wouldn't know what hit him.

 

Just like vitali couldn't land against Bean right?:-(


To win a fight with him one has to stay in mid range and go punch for punch or try and out box Wlad in his mid range...no one can do that because they get k.od or severly hurt they stay outside his range once they feel that numbing power..you guys haven't figured that out yet.only thing guys can do is rush in or stay so far away that its just a walk thru for him.Wlad doesn't dictate how the fight is fought he lets his opponets either come in or run away,he clinches on the inside when opponents get underneath him or are coming in at him,once they step in or back mid range thety are targey practice and this is what ali would be becuae of his defense style and not a power puncher or physically stronger what is he really going to do here when he is the perfect height,not to big or small,just the right height for a Wlad Left hook?

 

And you have this big dummy beating Ali.

You are less than clueless.nut

As for Joe L, he just slips one of Klitchko's jabs and nails him with 5 or 6 power punches and yells tiiiiiiiimberrrrrrrr, turns towards his corner and say " take these gloves off cos that fool ain't getting up"

I don't give a fuk how big the soppy Lummux is, you can't put muscles on a chin. Against the class of Louis / Ali he is gonna get nailed, and exposed as a guy who has been very fortunate to fight in an era of nonentities, and have a big brother to beat the guys who he is scared to face or gain revenge on those he lost to.

 

last time I checked ali never fought a guy over 225 who could punch like a modern Hw...and as I recall wlad certainly was never dropped by a 180 pounder was he,i forget?:hi:


Your Louis statement shows who the imbecile is ,surely not me.:smooch

 

Did Monte Barrett manage to hit and drop Haye? Yes or No.

Haye was never hard to hit. It is simply a case of the big clueless Klitchko being unable to hit anyone who doesn't stand like a statue right in front of him.

We know there is one idiot in this thread making all sorts of claims about Vlad's so called greatness, but are you also really going to claim that a prime Louis, or any version of Ali from Liston, up until Foreman couldn't find a way of hitting and stopping a Heavyweight of the calibre of Haye? Seriously, are you?

 

Foreman couldn't even k.o J.young who stood right in front of him?You are delusional to think if the second best Hw of the seventies is also one of the sloppiest fighters that Haye is that easy when he was a power puncher himself with actual crisp skills all around!Ali is the best bet but that's because he s fast as well,you don't know what you are talking about...any big strong Hw has a chance to hit anyone .Haye would make Louis look foolish with his cement feet,he would k.o him faster than Shmelling did that's for sure.