Darcy versus SRR

Steve, that hype video for the greb book is excellent. Did you make that? If so how did you do it?

 

Thanks Adam. Yeah I made it. I just edited clips together of films I have using either Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere (I cant remember which).

 

Robinson wins this fight.

I can't really imagine anyone seriously favouring Darcy.

Granted, Darcy is one of the more impressive fighters on film from that era but the Robinson who bludgeoned LaMotta until the ref stepped in is the greatest fighter I have ever seen on film.

 

I also have Robinson as probable GOAT and as the guy who would give Mayweather a bigger annihilation than any other welterweight. Darcy had some advantages over Ray in size and Darcy is better than the far majority of MW's Ray fought,, for starters I could never see him having trouble with Randy Turpin

 

Robinson could fight Turpin 100 times and struggle every fight but he would overcome him as he did in reality.

Darcy might be the bigger man but not big enough to compensate Robinson having superior speed, punch variety, movement and ring generalship.

It is hard to be certain, of course, but I would favour Sugar here.

 

I agree that it is hard to be certain. And i dont personally rate Robinson anywhere near as high as most at middleweight. I think he had some difficulties with the extra weight.

Let us look at what Darcy brings to the table. We know Darcy has fought bigger hitters and bigger fighters. Darcy had no problem with facing heavyweight power I think Darcy was naturally the much bigger fighter. Sugar Ray's power wont bother him too much and his chin will certainly hold up. This one is going the distance.

Darcy certainly brings a lot to the table. You would have to say that he hits harder than anyone Ray has ever fought, especially Joey Maxim. Now, i know about the airconditioner stories and all that but the fact is Ray never proved he could handle the best Light heavyweights or go up in weight above the middleweight limit. Darcy is a big middleweight and had no trouble with the bigger fighters. If this is an open fight it gets even harder for Ray. And if nothing else, Darcy's chin is also going to be on par with anyone Ray ever fought.


No matter what happens, this is not an easy fight. No doubt Darcy has done things Ray has never done (eg beat light heavys and heavys). If you give him the benefit of the doubt in a few areas such as emabarassing Fulton in a private fight, or assuming that he would have been capable of beating the likes of Gibbons, Dillon and Greb, before he died if he had fought (as would have been the normal opinion by most who saw him fight at the time), then Darcy is right in this fight. In fact, in these circumstances, i think he deserves out and out favouritism.

 

If you can imagine a 25 year old LHW prime Darcy who is still considered an elite fighter and does hold victories over his great peers and this is not a fight at 160, yes you could make a case and maybe even a favourable one that over 15/20 rounds Darcy takes it.

But the 20 year old kid that Darcy actually was, the MW matchup I'm on about, the opposition is leagues apart and Robinson is much more proven.

 

I dont see where in Darcy's resume he was some giant killer. He never beat anybody over 180 pounds. In fact with a few exceptions most were about modern super middleweight sized and ray beat several guys that big himself.

And besides beating bigger (much bigger guys) is often a stylistic thing. Mickey Walker and Billy Conn have impressive wins at the bigger weights but they weren't unbeatable because of it.

 

I think you misunderstood my imagination

Darcy at 20 already beat some great fighters. If he had fought the fighters i mentioned (at 20) he would have started favourite.

Robinson, incidentally, is no spring chicken by the time he reaches the middleweights. What age should he be for this fight and does the version of Ray Robinson have enough experience fighting and beating great middleweights?

if History tells us anythign it is that the young fighter beats the old fighter. That alone gives Darcy an edge in this fight. What age would you choose for Ray in this fight? He is going up against a young and hungry Darcy.

Wager in that Robinson often needed the rematch to beat his best middleweight opponents.

I think this fight has upset written all over it.

 

Judah up until a young age would have started as a favourite against almost anyone, we saw how his career panned out though.

I'd pick the Robinson that stopped LaMotta to do the job.

History doesn't show us that at all mate.

But if you think Darcy is the favourite and it has upset written all over it I guess you are agreeing with me that Robinson would win.

 

What hw puncher did Darcy ever face??? Who was a bigger puncher than Robinson that he faced? The physically largest fighter was Harold Hardwicke who weighed 176 and has one ko to his verified record. The two biggest punchers he fought had KO percentages of around 50% with less than 100 fights. Robinson fought WAY past his prime which watered down his KO percentage but even so he knocked out over 100 men including iron jawed fighters like LaMotta and Fullmer. Maybe Darcy could take his punches but taking his punches and winning are two different things. A more important question is what is Darcy going to do that Robinson hasnt already seen and overcome?

 

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