How would Ali beat Vlad?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ribtickler68, Aug 13, 2015.


  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    you better buy a house and move into this thread if you really want to wait..

    Unclet, do not collect £200, do not pass Go.
     
  2. uncletermite

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    Again I am not allowed to post a link its against rules and you probably don't know why because like the other dummy who apparently didn't know how to look up the video on his own hes a bit slow.:p
     
  3. uncletermite

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    It means Moving into the 220 range Haye was faster than ali,and Wlad at 240 is much faster than ali,because anyone can see Ali at 220 was never fast at ALL,compared to them,of course if you are a fanboy and not a realistic you are going to disagree.And Haye was never FAT at 220 that was Ali because he was a natural 210 pounder who couldnrt really be effective at 220 as he was 210 and didn't have a big frame build,Haye was 220 plus of solid muscle when he wanted to be..:roll:
     
  4. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Who did Wlad fight where he turned into Flash with boxing gloves? Was it the 5 left hooks he landed on Ray Austin?
     
  5. uncletermite

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    Sanders was a south paw and was FASt himself as some say like Ali speed which he himself compared himself to and Sanders actually picked him in a fantasy fight if he could fight him,you didn't know that because you don't really study boxing you just call out names like Peters who knocked Wlad down twice ,once with a shove and the other a push and hit to the back of the head,again watch the actual fights not read wiki.:smooch

    P.S Ali had trouble with a light punching southpaw at 6'0 190 pound SLOW Mildenberger,i highly doubt he would welcome a FAST southpaw at 6'4 230 pounder with actual skill who could punch do you?:yep
     
  6. Foxy 01

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    What I ACTUALLY wrote was,


    "I am stating that Joe Louis was not easier to hit than David Haye."

    and my opinion has not changed.

    As for mentioning Barrett, I could also mention plenty that managed to hit Haye, it is simply a question of Barrett being less than top quality, yet he still managed to hit and drop Haye. Klitchko couldn't.

    If you want to believe Haye was some kind of elusive wizard, crack on. It won't alter the fact that he wasn't.

    He was just lucky enough to fight two big slow dummies for good money in the knowledge that they couldn't hit him cleanly as long as their asses pointed downwards.
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    I think this is all that needs to be said about the imbecilic unclean. The fool has now got David Haye as a better mover, and faster than Ali.

    You would really need to search the net with pure dedication to find a post more fukking stupid than that.:yep:patsch
     
  8. dinovelvet

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    3 knockdowns. The 3rd was a shot to Wlads chin in the 11th round. It would appear the you haven't watched the 'actual fights'.




    And Millenburger had quicker feet than Byrd and Haye. And certainly quicker feet than Wlad.
     
  9. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't agree with a lot of things you say, but there is a definite double standard regarding Ali. What you have just said is similar to the arguments we see with Marciano and his opponents compared to the bigger fighters today, ie. Marciano never beat big heavies, so he can't.

    But when Ali is put in with a fighter with a COMBINATION of unknowns he still wins, because he is Ali. I have watched a lot of Ali fights, lately and you can pick holes in most of the fighters he fought(like you can any champion). From various stages of his career:

    Mildenberger. Lumbering, bad balance, shaky chin.
    Lyle. Plodding, slow. chinny Again, poor balance.
    Williams. Who's been covered.
    Folley. Past his best.
    Liston. Two dubious wins against post prime Liston.
    Cooper. Chinny haemophiliac.
    Bugner. Pacifist.
    Wepner. Possibly the worst fighter I have ever seen.

    Obviously, Ali was great, but I think Vlad offers more than those guys when Ali fought them. I don't say Ali couldn't adapt and beat Vlad, but to totally dismiss him out of hand is ludicrous.
     
  10. Foxy 01

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    :lol::lol::lol::nut:nut

    We've got it now. So Haye cheated because he didn't just stand in the centre of the ring and allow the big useless dummy Klitch to hit him.

    Have you actually left school yet?:rofl
     
  11. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't rate Haye at all. What do you think of him, Foxy?
     
  12. Foxy 01

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    It gets better. If you hear a knock at the door, don't answer. It could well be the men in white coats coming to take you back to the funny farm.:nut

    Newsflash.

    Wells Fargo is faster than Vlad Klitchko.
     
  13. Foxy 01

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    There are less than 5 of you who are moronic enough to believe Klitchko beats Ali, to their credit the others haven't resorted to lying the way you have.

    Lying about a subject when faced with overwhelming evidence against your viewpoint is the action of the desperate.

    Haye only weighed 220 or more once, against Ruiz, because he was an even slower dummy than Klitchko, but without the power. A fighter Haye knew couldn't beat him in a month of Sundays.

    He was 217 for both Valuev, and Bonin, and 210 for his last 3 fights.

    So the enlarged part is merely your scabby opinion, and the FACTS do NOT support your argument due to him preferring to weigh 210 in the 3 fights post Ruiz over a period of 2 years and 3 months.

    It would appear by your posts that you are more than happy talking to yourself so ask yourself this.

    Why, if he was so comfortable with his musclebound frame at 222, would a fighter bother to knock 12 lbs off it, and keep it off for the above mentioned fights, over the above mentioned period of time?:roll::roll:

    There doesn't appear to be a shovel big enough for the hole you are digging, I'd call for a JCB if I were you.:rofl
     
  14. Foxy 01

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    I was at Wembley Arena when he lost against Thompson, and even though it was only his 11th fight I wasn't overly impressed. He hit Carl with everything but the ring post, all to no avail. In fairness he did improve a lot, and was a good ( though big it must be said ) Cruiser. At Heavy he did well but IMHO it was down to the **** that was out there at the time.

    I mean you have to admit he was very fortunate in only having to beat Valuev to gain a belt, then defend it against Ruiz, and Harrison. It doesn't get much easier than that. Again IMHO he exposed the limitations of the slow, cumbersome, stamina lacking Klitchko even though he was mostly interested in avoiding getting hit.

    Genuine ATG's would have got David out of there. But good luck to him is what I say.
     
  15. Foxy 01

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    More lies. You are in a minority of a handful or less.:nut:nut