Floyd "Ali lost to a fighter with 7 fights! Im TBE!"

the same kind of opposition, you idiot.

wow you are possibly the first person to think anyone is debating putting a featherweight in with a heavyweight.

 

I know Floyd is just trying to further his rep by saying this, but its a step backwards, very ill advised to say such rubbish.

mayweather isn't really a good frontman for his productions. - he never learnt those communication skills in his youth and it shows.

 

And what's so great about alis opposition compared to Floyd's?

Who didn't Floyd fight? Don't say Margarito and make me laugh.

 

easily alis is better , more primes, more atgs, more hofers.

its about who he did fight NOT being better than alis. don't try and make this something else.

 

Who did Ali fight who was prime?

 

Of course Ali is greater. Who cares?

 

the difference between floyd and ali is ali fought better fighters in a much tougher era. most of ali's losses were against prime all time greats, floyd has not beaten one prime all time great. joe frazier is ranked p4p and he's ranked highly h2h at heavyweight. so is larry holmes, ken norton, and leon spinks(lightheavyweight). floyd's era also has more belts so that "he beat the most world champions" fl*mo bullsh*t doesn't even matter

 

He couldn't fight Oscar any earlier, him and Pacquiao ducked one another for years for various reasons and tripled their money (a common tactic for megafights) and you can't blame the way he dominated Canelo on 152 when he weighed 153.5 for Trout, it simply isn't a difference where he'd be a scarecrow at, is it? Though the extra one and a half wouldn't have helped him but that's his fault for fighting at lower weights so he can rehydrate to MW.

 

Floyd actually has a point if we are talking about discipline and work ethic. I've heard from more than one inside source including former sparring partner Larry Holmes that Muhammad Ali had bad out of the ring habits and took training lightly for many of his fights in his mid 30s. Thats why he lost to Spinks and looked so lethargic with guys like Lyle, Young and Shavers.

This is in contrast with Floyd who doesnt drink, get close to women, go high on the hog or let his weight go more than 8 or 9 pounds above his weightclass.

 

I think people are mistaking BEST and GREAT. Two completely different claims.

 

Go and reread my post.

I said that Floyd would never have taken the kind of fights that Ali took.

Of course he couldn't have fought a HW, don't be silly.

What I'm saying is, when Ali was young, he took on a monster like Liston. Then when he was past his best, he signed to fight a 25 year old George Foreman. He put himself at serious risk by letting Foreman punch himself out. It was an incredibly brave/stupid thing to do. He took some horrendous body shots and psyched Foreman out. He was urinating blood afterwards. But it was the only tactics he could employ at that stage because he no longer had the legs to dance and keep the fight in the centre of the ring. Ali was too brave for his own good. Then when he was way past his best and he shouldn't have been fighting, he took on a peak Larry Holmes.

In my honest opinion, Floyd would never have taken those kinds of fights, against dangerous guys like that. For example, if he'd have fought at LW in the 70's, I don't think he'd have fought guys like Duran. If he'd fought at WW in the 80's, I don't think he'd have fought Benitez, SRL and Benitez etc. Those are my honest opinions.

 

He would have had to have fought them if he was around back then and wanted the kind of fame and money his ego would crave, and I believe he believes in his ability regardless... he would be pressured into taking such fights, just like Alvarez, Cotto, Maidana 2 and Pacquiao. Many people don't seem to get they contradict themselves when he takes Maidana on ASAP after getting battered for half the fight, wouldn't he have ducked the rematch if he was as scared as you claim, that fight was gruelling after all yet he rematched the maniac for his next fight when he could have fought anybody else?

 

Come on now.

You're not going to give Ali credit?

Ali psyched him out. He backed himself onto the ropes calling Foreman a "sissy" and saying he had no power etc.

He punched himself out because of Ali.

 

He's basically saying that he's never beaten a fellow ATG whilst they were prime, and the very good-great wins he's had, have all had the shine took off of them due to certain circumstances.

For example, JMM and Canelo. He deliberately came in overweight for JMM without a care in the world to gain an advantage, even though it wasn't necessary. It was the same with Canelo. He told the media that he didn't care what Canelo rehydrated to, because skills win fights and not weight. But instead of making the fight at JMW, he made it a catchweight to try and gain an advantage. But in doing so, there'll always be fans out there that say Canelo was drained etc. Whereas, if he'd have made it at the JMW limit, he'd have gotten full credit off of everyone, no questions asked. The more Canelo had've weighed, the more credit Floyd would have got.

 

Is Floyd the oldest world champion (of the main 4) to go unbeaten?

Could be a record..