Floyd "Ali lost to a fighter with 7 fights! Im TBE!"

You're missing the point.

The point is, Floyd didn't need to deliberately come in overweight to gain an advantage over JMM. And in doing so, it's taken some shine of what should have been a great win.

 

Marquez came up to 144 from lightweight for the Floyd fight in 2009, he didn't fight Pacquiao at welterweight until 2011, so he looked fine a long time after that.

 

This argument is stupid.. First, before Floyd became champ, he called out everyone.. He beat how many title holders already? The last fight Floyd wasn't favored in was the Oscar fight.. Everyone else anywhere around his weight was the underdog Who's fault is that?

Ali fighting when he was clearly sick doesn't make him better than anyone.. If anything that makes him stupid or dumb decision maker for lack of a better word.. Floyd fighting prime fighters now wouldn't be the equivalent because floyd is still very good and healthy going into his 40s..

 

No Floyd is not better than Ali, this is so misguided.

Ali knocked out prime Foreman and while Floyd spent his days knocking out shot Gatti and Corrales.

Ali is so much better.

 

Didn't Canelo offer to fight at at a catchweight?

 

Knocking people out is one side of the sport, it's okay to appreciate different approaches, we know Mayweather is not a knock out artist, he can do things many other fighters can't, it's no problem if you appreciate the several facets of the sport.

 

You've made some great points. Very impressive.

But it's really hard to do direct comparisons with fighters from different eras and different weights.

If you break each fighters skill sets down, you could say that Floyd was better overall. But Floyd had greater longevity, because Ali put his body through a lot more. Then there's the peak years he lost, and the fact that he fought on for far too long etc.

I could never say that Floyd was TBE, and he'd only ever be in the argument on a head to head basis.

 

What is so special about knocking out Diego Corrales???

Floyd has an impressive resume, but to to say he has a unique and special resume is a joke.

Ali has done great things in that ring that Floyd could only do in his dreams.

 

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If Mayweather lost to Maidana in 1, which I had it 115-113 to either, won the second and a third, it would soften people's perceptions of his resume imo, if he'd got the loss to Castillo, he'd be much more revered because he'd been beaten, it's a funny thing. I consider him to have a loss and a draw and it does nothing negative to his cv in my eyes, it's a sport.

 

Great points.

I do agree that Maidana was a bad match up for him stylistically. But I think he underestimated him, and I think he had to make the rematch ASAP to prove to himself as well as the critics that he wasn't at his best that night. That's my honest opinion, but I agree with everything else you've wrote.

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It's not stupid at all. My opinion is straight forward. All I'm saying is, that in my opinion, Floyd wouldn't have taken the kind of fights that Ali took whatever the circumstances were at the time. Yes, Ali took on Holmes when he way past his best and he'd been beaten. So you could argue he was stupid for doing so, and he had nothing to lose at that point. But I think Ali would have taken on Holmes at that point, even if he'd been healthy and undefeated. Ali would always have challenged himself to the max. Whereas, I don't think Floyd would have. That's my opinion. I think Ali would have fought Louis, Tyson, Lewis, Marciano, and the Klitschko's etc. But I don't think Floyd would have taken on the likes of Duran, Benitez and SRL etc.

 

No Mayweather's resume would be more respected if he lost a great fighter in their prime.

If he lost to Pacquiao or Mosley or DLH while they were at their best he would be more loved and respect and even rated higher. Because that means he would have challenged himself

Losing to Maidana as your only loss wouldn't have the same effect. Why? because it's Marcos freakin' Maidana.

 

Challenge hinself? Since when is losing better than winning? Claiming a fighter needs to lose to be better fighter is ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

 

I was responding to another poster saying if Mayweather lost to Maidana that he would be more respected.

No he wouldn't because Maidana isn't that great.

Losing and fighting to a great fighter is no shame.

That's what kills me about these people. Losing is not bad under the right circumstances. Only 1 man can win the fight.