donovan ruddock vs geroge foreman 1991 ?????

So the consensus strongest, most powerful heavyweight in history is now relegated to second place by Ruddock. Is this the same Ruddock who was used to wipe the floor with by Lennox Lewis and knocked into orbit by Tommy Morrison? Seriously you really haven't got a clue have you?

 

Exactly. The only way George would take the fight is if it were an enormous payday relative to the other fights out there.

 

Physical strength means little with punching power..and Ruddock was past his best after Tyson which he was but a shell of himself after those two beatings,but still better than foreman was.

Seriously you are a dolt,Foreman couldn't even knock Morrison down,ruddock did,Lewis also knocked Morrison down with a jab . Foreman couldn't even knock Morrison down period...the strongest puncher ever,right?atsch

 

I assume we're talking about the George who fought Holyfield. That guy won three or four rounds against Evander, who was better than Ruddock. He'd probably win five or six against Razor. This would be a competitive fight. Yes, if you stick a gun to my head and make me pick, I'll go with the younger guy. But recalling how an out of shape Bonecrusher Smith floored a prime Ruddock makes we wonder what would happen against Foreman, who was a good finisher.

 

Foreman in reality won only one round,the scorecards can say whatever..Harold lederman said it best "I have Foreman winning only one round"..That was one fight he couldn't steal it was blatantly obvious who won that fight,one judge gave him 5 rounds?


On Holy better than Ruddock,well what was exactly better beyond speed and combo punching?The Tyson that Ruddock fought would have k.od Holyfield in all likely hood...holyfield lost twice to Bowe,ruddock was also another big Hw who was bigger than Bowe and a harder puncher...I think the Ruddock who was on a 14 k.o win streak would be favored over Holyfield in 91,i think the Bert Cooper fight shows this as well.Though a Holyfield vs Ruddock is certainly a good match .The key here is Ruddock struggled with tall heavy fighters..holyfield at 6'2 205/210 then wouldn't fit that description.Smith brought a total different style..holyfield struggled with Bowe,Ruiz,and a 43 year old Holmes....i'll take Ruddock.

Are we also overlooking chin here?He got up from arguably the most devastating left hook any HW was ever hit with in the Morrison fight and went 19 rounds with Tyson ,the only guy to go toe to toe with him in Tysons entire career. One knock down by smith doesn't change that.

 

Again anyone with two eyes can count themselves who landed more punches./..foreman simply stole another decision win..its clear as day...


he was taking it easy,yet continued to fight the likes of Briggs and challenge Tyson,yet was afraid of a washed up Tucker the mandatory opponent straight out of rehab?


I can name several guys he ducked from the 70's thru the 90's from Quarry to Tyson and everyone In between which would include,Shavers,Holmes,Bowe,Lewis,Ruddock,Tucker,Shultz rematch off the top of my head im sure theres more,so I guess he was taking it easy his entire career is what you are telling me and is an example of being mentally strong?:yep


P.S Frazier was 20 pounds over his fight weight,it was not a good match up and never would be because of his chin and not a good prospect at taking heavy punches.Foreman himself admits to not being mentally strong and even goes as far as to say Frazier intimidated him then until he got in the ring,he shouldn't have even won the lyle fight he was rocked badly and would have got finished off if the bell didn't ring.He is self admitting mental toughness wasn't his strong suit,it was bullying tactic of being bigger and stronger that gave him the edge!Which has nothing to do with nothing anyway,sonce we are using 91 foreman,who was better than 70's foreman but not on a Ruddock level,no resume will change that its a terrible match up for him ina H2H match.

 

Foreman Schulz was an epic robbery IMO. I thought Schulz dominated that fight. No question he won it. It was made even worse because Schulz never deserved his shot and only got ranked to get that shot because Foreman's people paid something like $250k to get him ranked so he could have a soft touch and not lose his title to the first warm body he faced. Foreman then made himself look even worse by ducking a mandated rematch against Schulz.

 

Tucker is the guy he ran from in thinking Shultz was going to be an easy win with a less tall jabber,he was stripped of one of his belts but fought Shultz anyway.After the holyfield loss he wanted no part of Tyson up until he saw Tyson lose to holyfield and actually would have fought him
"I didn't fight Tyson because I didn't sighn the contracts that king had presented me,i didn't trust king not so much afraid of Tyson" G.Foreman..Mentally strong?:roll:


I like foreman but I keep it real unlike the majority here.

 

Foreman.

 

Very good matchup. I see Foreman winning by KO at some point. But this one is a hard call.

 

I think Ruddock pummels him far worse than Alex Stewart did.

 

Thank you. A 1992 Alex Stewart, destroyed by Tyson, Holyfield and Moorer, beat the **** out of Foreman, and chinny as he was, survived to get shafted in the decision.

 

i would be curious what some others feel about some of these extreme statements.

Foreman did duck some challengers while well into his 40's. He evidenced no fear, he made a rational calculation that he was likely to lose-though would fight anyone for big money &/or a title.

Tyson was afrid of Foreman,unless the oft repeated comments about the D'amato programming & Tyson angrily telling King to fight him are wrong.
ZForman's comment about being afraid of King was both true & a JOKE: King is a sociopathic rip-off master.

Ruddock bigger than Bowe? in muscle per square inch in his 2nd bout with Tyson, cjlearly a couple of inches shorter.

Holyfield only had sped & comi\bination punching over Ruddock? atsch
First of all, that is a lot.
Next, holyfield had a much better work rate, better counter punching, & just much more skilled overall.
Ruddock struggled with igger guys? OK, but most all of the best guys WERE larger then. Does not mean he could handle a Holyfield.
Given the disparity in skill & Holyfield's great chin, I think it is a UD for Evander.

Foreman was not mentally strong after Zaire-but was a rock in his comeback.
And HE did not steal decisions, even if he did not deserve a couple-& was robbed in his final fight nearing 49.

Great bias is betrayed saying Foreman "did not to deserve to win" against Lyle?

Whaaaa? First I do not know that Foreman could not recover without it.
but even if not: a 3 minute round is part of the game that all must take into account.
AND did you notice Foreman was thrasing lyle shen a bell accidentally was rung 1 minute EARLY. THAT may have saved Lyle, an undeserved reprieve.

Noooo---? To describe Foreman as scared of Frazier shows no sense of nuance & fairness.
He likely had normal healthy fear that virtually all fighters feel, but was very collected & showed no fear.
He joked that he stared at Fraizer so he would not look down & see his knees knocking.
Foreman was often gracious, exaggerated, played a magaminious clown. It is at best a fatal misreading of character & tone to interpret him as really afraid of Frazier.

C'mon Uncletermite. You erode your credibility in a serious way when you do not ATTEMPT to be Fair & Balanced. You cannot just say whatever favors your side without QUESTIONING if your points make sense.


You do that, the VALID points you make are less likely to be accepted.

 

Someone's village is short of an idiot Termite and you are clearly the one to take on the role.