Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

Daylight is not evenly distributed. Daylight comes from one source which moves. The sun. Take any first year art class and come away and tell me daylight is evenly distributed. Furthermore, it doesnt look like the light in that film is shining down unevenly. Its shining down from one single source. The sun. The fact that the backfield is lit is a dead giveaway that its daytime. The shadows are another dead giveaway. I have repeatedly challenged anyone, Mendoza, Kurt, anyone to come here and show a photograph doesnt even have to be a film (which had a much slower shutter speed and as such wouldnt look as well lit as a photo) that looks as well lit past the first row as this film and casts a long shadow like this film. Wont be done.

Notice something in these photos:
[url]http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/be053764.jpg?w=700[/url]
[url]http://www.justonebadcentury.com/wp-content/uploads/dempsey-tunney.jpg[/url]
[url]http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/6/6c/F17613j.JPG/375px-F17613j.JPG[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-BE053760.jpg%253Fsize%253D67%2526uid%253D9b80d4ce-be44-48b3-8df2-5aa61f9f5f9c&imgrefurl=http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/BE053760/jack-dempsey-vs-gene-tunney&h=485&w=640&tbnid=GEOPc9OGQc8EeM:&docid=xBjCm_PYb0ubEM&ei=-qroVfyAM8WgNraKrYAL&tbm=isch&ved=0CEgQMyghMCFqFQoTCPzlx9fX28cCFUWQDQodNkULsA[/url]

Or rather notice anything missing?? But you want us to believe that Greb's fight had better lighting at the local ballpark in Wilkes-Barre... LOL.

Compare with these:
[url]http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/8/83/Dempsey-Gibbons_U211422INP.jpg/275px-Dempsey-Gibbons_U211422INP.jpg[/url]
[url]http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/3/3c/JackDempsey-TommyGibbons-7-8-1923.jpg/275px-JackDempsey-TommyGibbons-7-8-1923.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dempsey-gibbons.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/blog/?p%3D12620&h=340&w=485&tbnid=xesZxVdtCFKCEM:&docid=5PMezpBxcTAafM&ei=rKvoVeK9GsilgwT48YLoAw&tbm=isch&ved=0CCcQMygLMAtqFQoTCOLDn6zY28cCFcjSgAod-LgAPQ[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me4iy92VeP1rzv9tso1_1280.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.craniumfitteds.com/2013/05/brooklyn-nets-starter-jacket-boxing-jack-dempsey-tommy-gibbons/&h=1007&w=1280&tbnid=NmiE9ROtC5arpM:&docid=3wJ53R2RgFs6FM&ei=rKvoVeK9GsilgwT48YLoAw&tbm=isch&ved=0CCoQMygOMA5qFQoTCOLDn6zY28cCFcjSgAod-LgAPQ[/url]

Wow, look at that. Its amazing. Shadows! from a single light source! And the audience can be clearly seen well beyond the first two rows... oh wait, thats a daytime fight...

 

To me it's as clear as daylight.

 

I was never banned from boxrec. I have never once been banned from boxrec. Period. Dont believe me? Go ask John.

I consider getting banned from CBZ an honor. I was in good company. Gordoom destroyed that site. Where are they now? Non existent. Because they literally banned anyone who didnt agree with them. Either way, what does that have anything to do with this film. It doesnt make me wrong. Thats why you cant come back with anything. You know you are wrong, like you commonly are, and just cant admit it. As you see nobody here agrees with you. Deal with it. I wish his punkass would file a defamation suit, then I could countersue him and when his case gets tosses, he gets embarrassed, and I could collect on his dumbass. He wont because he knows this. Its a lot different lying in front of a judge than it is lying to a faceless moron like you on the internet.

"Is it day or night? Im not 100% sure"

Then why the **** are you even arguing? Are you just trolling? Is this an exercise in trying to win an argument about a subject you dont understand? You arent sure? Because youve been acting awfully damn sure. Let me help you. Its daytime. I ****ing child could see that. The fight was at night. Ive already proven that. ITS NOT GREB. Deal with it. A bigger man than your small pathetic ****less ass would admit hes wrong.

 

Hey guys. Wilkes Barre's minor league ballpark was apparently better lit than this:


[url]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhKJtGSCAAAfS-x.jpg:medium[/url]

[url]http://www.josportsinc.com/item_images/1355672939.jpg[/url]


LOL

Some people.

 

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Does that look like Ive ever been banned from Boxrec moron?? Ive been a member for over 12 years and Im an editor.

Wrong once again.

 

When every shadow runs in the same direction it is because the sun is so far away the distance in metres is such a minute percentage of the distance in km.

If it was lights used in night the shadows would be diverging noticeably from a centre of light where the percentage was not that minute.

I tell you what, turn the light on on your living room and see the way the shadows diverge away from the main light, even more noticeable is to out two lights on and see how each object casts two shadows diverging away from both centres of light. Take a picture of those shadows. Tomorrow afternoon take a picture of the same room with daylight coming in through the window and see how the shadows are much more uniform.

This is fairly basic maths/physics you don't even have to be a photography specialist to understand the way light waves work as distance and number increases.

 

I got a short ban on here .You were banned under the name
Dr Z.
You have no conception of the term open mind.

Impacted business? WTF is that?
You can't know how happy I am you are daily character assassinating your self here, long may it continue.:good

 

I've been following this thread for amusement; I have no dog in this fight and I'm certainly not an expert on Greb nor on film. But I was looking at the stills on the Ringwise Management site and I have to agree with downgoesstyle's observation that the dark-skinned fighter's trunks do not look like 20's trunks and that the crowd's clothing don't look like 1920's attire. The stills show a later event.

 

Yeah, i impacted kurts business of illegally selling copyrighted material he has no claim to... Pardon me if im not quaking in my boots at the prospect of being sued. One of the many thimgs mendoza has no conception of.

 

I think Klompton makes a compelling case and a lot of evidence points to his direction, but Mendoza makes a good point about people rushing to judge without ever actually seeing the film. If he hasn't already seen it I would be interested in Clompton viewing the footage getting his expert opinion on if he thinks it's Greb or not

Mendoza
Are there reputable boxing historians out there who have seen this footage? Has this footage been confirmed by forensic evidence that it is Greb in this footage?

If so can they mail a copy to Klompton so he can give his expert opinion?

As for daytime or nighttime I'm no expert, I'll balk. All I care about is if that is Greb or not

 

Looking again at the stills, if this was a real fight as it is purpoted to be.

1. Where is the crowd? There are a hundred or so spectators then empty space?
2.If it is a night time fight, why are many of the crowd in shirtsleeves? There is also an absence of hats,I know the Greb fight took place in the summer, but 20's dress was more formal.

The average temperature for Wilkes Barre in June is 78 Fahrenheit,would that preclude jackets for men in the evening during the 1920's

3.The trunks on the black guy look to be of a more modern style, cut shorter and with a stripe down the side.
I don't know when they became fashionable, but I would associate them with a later era .
Has anyone seen a photo, taken in 1926 of a boxer where he is sporting trunks with a stripe down the side?

Anyone have any ideas on that?

To add ,I've just watched Carpentier v **** Smith, Carpentier has a vertical stripe down the side of his trunks.

 

Klompton says they can date the film ,wouldn't that be a start?
Why haven't they produced proof of its age ?

 

Because it's on VHS, not the original film.

 

Ok . I think its a day time training session, and that the "crowd" are probably press etc.

 

He has seen it. Mendoza hasn't.