Paulie Malignaggi "I do have something against Pacquiao! He cheated!"

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't like to make such strong statements off presumptions. But that's just me.

    You have a right to you're own opinion though.:thumbsup
     
  2. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he said I'll do whatever testing just not right before the fight or during the most intense period of my training.

    Both Mayweather/Pacquiao did it for their fight together, and I wish they hadn't. Even Floyd said himself that he felt weak/dehydrated from the blood testing and he's bigger than Pacquiao.
     
  3. Manfred

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    As an American, you outta know better than that. As an intelligent human being you should know when the pieces don't quit fit together. You using Mayweather to justify Pac and I'm not buying it. Pac is not in Mayweathers class and that was proved. Not in a physical sense but mentally. Mayweather stands alone and Pac is question mark. Mayweather is not superhuman and neither is Pac. That's why I question his fights from Oscar to Cotto. Floyd called him on that shiit in sept 2011. Right after the Mosley fight. After that he had a controversial win against JMM and then lost to Bradley and got knocked out by Marquez. He beat Bradley, Rios and Algieri which ain't saying much and then lost to Mayweather. So since Mayweather prompted his handlers to stop the BS, his record has not been that sterling. It just makes a person wonder. What the fk is really going on.
     
  4. The13thRound

    The13thRound Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's all bull**** to pad out the mayweather win over a faded past his best pacman.

    Pac was clearly on the decline before the marquez fight let alone the floyd fight his punch output had dropped his power a bit.

    The idea that pac went from unbeatable to human overnight because of a drug test is laughable as he was clearly on the downturn before and since the jmm loss.
     
  5. markq

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    That's why he was laughing when USADA took blood from him? Or that he worked out immediately after giving blood to USADA. What a bunch of crock using superstition or the it weakens him excuse. He's a CHEAT. The first time he has to fight clean, he makes up injuries that get healed by salt water and god.
     
  6. Manfred

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    He wasn't faded, he was just human again and that was right after the Mosley fight.
     
  7. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather called him on it because he didn't want to believe that greatness like that exists- similar to you.

    The pieces fit together fine. You're just overthinking everything.

    Pacquiao beat Bradley, Rios, and Algieri after he was knocked out. You say he wasn't the same after 2012 because he stopped steroids. I say he wasn't the same after 2012 because he faced one of the most devastating knockouts that I've ever seen. Getting older is probably a variable in that as well.

    And Bradley was better in the rematch and a top p4p welterweight. Top 3 during that time, maybe? He was prime, more experienced, and coming off wins against Ruslan and Marquez- just saying.
     
  8. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's a guido who can take a beating but can't punch so he let's his mouth do the talking, cause his fist lacks the p0p.Pac would pop that guido's mouth anywhere,anytime.:rofl
     
  9. Just Rik

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    24 days is right before the fight?? When I first learned that was the stick that told me he was trying not to take that test. There were reports back then that there were PED's you could do in that time frame, get the pretty much the max benefit from, and still be clean by fight time. You realize "during most intense training" also translates to most important time to be tested, don't you?? Also, "during most intense training" this guy chose to stay in the Philippines when he knew a storm was coming that would have trapped in the Philippines and he would no way to train during "the most intense training" leading up to the Cotto fight.

    Granted the poor guy needed to wait on his dealer so he had no choice but I found amazing 24 7 made a joke out of it for him when it was actually an insane event. I mean, really, he chose to knowingly stay stuck in the Philippines and ot train during "the most intense" and so therefore most important parts of training of what then seen as one of his most difficult fights??? This guy could not be more obvious and people just make fools of themselves defending him.
     
  10. Manfred

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    Mayweather called him on that shiit because he had been watching Pac almost since he first got to the States. He actually liked Pac and tried to pull his coat to BS but Pac was stuck on stupid. Mayweather been around both sides of boxing all his life and he watched the change in Pac. Mayweather liked the fire in Pac and fierceness in which he fought but at no time did he think that Pac was on his level. Like I said, after Mayweather made is suspicions known, the winning got sporadic. The knockout was also a factor but not age because Floyd is older. ( and better )
     
  11. Just Rik

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    Wrong, the pieces of the puzzle finally went down as they were supposed to when someone is not doing any PED's. As you move up in weight you either will drop in power, speed, or volume. This happens because it takes extra stamina to move more weight at the same speed, power, and volume, So, you will either have to drop one of the three to compensate, Pac never did...until testing.

    And it can't be said it's because of some degradation in Pac either because he threw with the same speed and power, it's only the conscious decision of volume that dropped. True degradation would've taken it's toll on speed or power, not a conscious decision to throw less. He throws over 25% less volume since testing, that's a staggering amount. This also the time when Freddie made that statement basically coming clean, because he knew this would be seen/noticed and he decided to just come clean and use Ariza as a fall guy.
     
  12. abuffy

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    Please send me all these scientific reports. Like I said, I like to make my beliefs off evidence- not presumptions. And no, ****py journalistic gossip articles do not count (example, the toradol is an enhancement article).

    To be honest with you, your comment is all over the place and I'm having trouble following you.

    You say that the storm "would" have prevented him? Did it? And if so, please send me those articles as well. Also, Pacquiao would rightfully be much pickier about the negotiations regarding the FM fight considering it was the biggest fight of his career/century.
     
  13. abuffy

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    Also, I want to add... When Mayweather backed out of the negotiations, Pac got desperate and said, "Fine! Whatever, we'll do it your way." And CONCEDED to the blood testing; however, Mayweather said too late and refused to negotiate again.

    You said "since testing". Dude, he's been tested his entire career for every single fight. Or do you mean VADA? Because he's always been tested.

    Pacquiao never dropped in power or speed. Maybe a subtle decline but not as significant as you make it out to be. The only difference is he's more hesitant to throw and takes less risks. He boxes more (which will equate to less punches thrown which you take to be less stamina).

    Example: Bradley was asked the difference in Pacquiao's punching power in their first fight (before VADA) and in their rematch (after VADA). Bradley said he felt he was the same.

    Another example, Mayweather said Pacquiao had a power he's never felt in his career and this was with all the blood testing that Floyd wanted.
     
  14. Just Rik

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    Yes it did prevent him from training, it was at time he did not know how to swim and that was the only way they could train because of their location and the severity of the storm outside. It was on one of the 24 7's leading up to the Cotto fight, (maybe second or third episode, right smack dab in middle of "most intense training") they made a big joke out of it but rest fact is there, he did not train, and by choice. You can chose not to believe me or whatever you want, just like I know you'd just excuse away anything I found for you, which is why I won't bother, you can live in your ignorance if you so please, I won't.
     
  15. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Smart move. You won't convince me and I won't convince you.