Why the weight variances?

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  1. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One thing that strikes me as quite odd is that pretty much every heavy will come into a fight at a different weight each time out.
    Obviously they are concerned with being in condition and not what they weigh, but one would suspect that if training is an exact science (or should be by now) then why don't heavies scale within a pound or two at most from fight to fight?

    For instance Wlad's last 6:
    241.5
    245.66
    247.3
    241.6
    249
    247
    That's a difference of 7.5 pounds from highest to lowest.

    Lennox:
    256 5
    249.3
    246.5
    253.5
    249
    250
    A total of 10 pounds from heaviest to lightest in his last 6.

    Wilder:
    229
    219
    224
    227
    224
    224
    More consistent, but a whopping 10 pounds from lightest to heaviest in his last 6.

    I remember one of the most consistent being Evander, who was 208, 208, 210, 210, 205 and then (at the time) a career high of 212 against Alex Stewart.

    But here's the thing...one would imagine that a fighter who enters camp and trains for the same duration as he always does, and does the exact same thing in his training each time out, well surely that fighter would weigh within a pound or two of his previous weight each time out?

    Some of these weight differences are pretty big. Okay, so we must keep in mind instances when a fighter deliberately gained weight (Holyfield vs. Stewart) or were maybe not in the best shape (Lewis in his last fight) but still, one would imagine that by now, fighters would have training and conditioning down to a fine art by now, so why such big discrepencies in the weights sometimes?
    Seems a bit odd to me.
     
  2. uncletermite

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    A big Hw will usually add weight against another bigger HW,they will usually cut weight if they feel more speed and less size matches better with the smaller opponent.my guess is Wlad will come in almost 250 for Fury.The myth because a fighter is hevier means hes out of shape,thats nonsense,fighters pack on weight to have the physical advantage many times.Guys over 6'4 can easily fight at 250 plus.
     
  3. fists of fury

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    Yeah that makes sense but then again Wlad was 241 for Thompson the first time and 249 for him the next time. Quite a difference.
    He was also heavier for Leapai than for Pulev, who was a bigger guy.

    But cutting weight or adding it does make sense in that context. Here's a cookie...
     
  4. rex11y

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    I actually agree with you for once!
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was stating the obvious..... Numpty Tyson and his merry men did it all wrong against Lewis by coming in at one of his heaviest ever weights.
     
  6. uncletermite

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    Tyson was 5'10/5'11 you imbecile,i don't think being over or even around 225 and above would ever suit him well...talk about obvious?You couldn't even figure that out,maybe that's why you think Valuev would knock him out?:lol:
     
  7. Wass1985

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    What the hell are you talking about you cretin?? Tyson's team stated they were coming in heavy against Lewis to try and match his strength, a simpleton like you should have known that was the wrong thing to do. :lol:
     
  8. uncletermite

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    Again anyone WHO IS FIGHTING OVER 225 AND IS 5'10 IS NOT BEATING LEWIS OR ANYONE LIKE LEWIS,CLEARLY SPEED IS GOING TO NEED TO BE THERE BECAUSE TYSON WAS AN INSIDE FIGHTER WHO RELIED ON COUNTER PUNCHING....AGAIN 5'10 ...AND WHO WON THAT FIGHT YOU IMBECILE? Its not about matching strength,tyson was stronger anyway ,Tysons style was based on headmovement and and not getting hit,being stronger doeant win fights ,ones ability does.....and again 5'10 at 230 plus!He would have still beat VALUEV though on that night,thats a FACT..:yep




    I put that in caps so you can maybe sink the knowledge in a bit more.:smooch
     
  9. Wass1985

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    Tyson was stronger than Lewis?? I'll have some of what you're smoking please..... you are the Undisputed King Of Re****s....
     
  11. fists of fury

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    Tyson is interesting because he came in at only 216 against the huge Razor Ruddock (2nd fight) but almost 240 (quarter pound shy) against a non-threat like Brian Nielsen.
    Different periods in his career of course, but still.
    But yes, to come in at over 230 was never a good idea for Tyson, who sacrificed speed and stamina as a result.
     
  12. uncletermite

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    Tysons best fight weight was 217/218..those couple pounds to short fighters are a huge difference!
     
  13. Wass1985

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    Yet he won the title at over 220lb, those couple of pounds don't make that much of a difference now do they.... :lol:
     
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