how many wars can a fighter have until the effects happen?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'll use Manny as an example. He had his first real bad war against Marquez, but seemed fine in the Morales fight which was another total war. In fights after this he still looked prime. Then the second Marquez war happened and then he still looked prime later. Then the Cotto war happened and he has till looked great. It wasn't until after Cotto that it looked the wars were having effect.

    Look at MAB. Two wars with Jones and another with Morales and then he schooled Hamed and looked better than ever.

    So how many do you think it takes before wear and tear happens?
     
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  2. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    sometimes all it takes is 1 ( Katsidis), sometimes you can go through 15 years of wars like Holyfield, everyone is different
     
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  3. NUCLEAR

    NUCLEAR Active Member Full Member

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    It definitely depends on the body of the fighter. manny is definitely tough he grew up from poverty so he's body at young age is already used to abuse. Lifestyle can also be a big factor.
     
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  4. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Katsidis was in 1 war?
    Hmmm-Earl, Amonsot, Casamayor and JMM were all wars...
     
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  5. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Hard to say. Fighters definitely have a higher threshold for pain, but there are some that handle it better than others. And I mean in all levels, whether it be a club fighter, journeyman, contender, prospect, veteran, or a superstar. That's why sometimes upsets are bound to happen.
     
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  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    :patsch
     
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  7. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    One thing is for sure, WE don't determine the level of "wear and tear" a fighter has received.
     
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  8. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree with the "it depends on the person" sentiment, just as with many things, it's all about the individual...
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure we do it. Look at Ali against Holmes. It's pretty well known that he was completely worn out by that time.

    Wear and tear is real. FFS, of course it exists. It's boxing.
     
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  10. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I never said it wasn't real, and if you believe that we, the fans, are 100% correct at determining the level of wear and tear someone has received then hey, more power to you.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    We're not 100 percent correct, but who said boxing was an objective measure?
     
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  12. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    It's not, which is why we can't determine the level of wear and tear a fighter has received. Half the mess spewed online is biased, agenda driven garbage. I've seen fighters post-prime or "shot" and I've seen fighters who are not and just met a better match. Most of what I read is excuses from butthurt fanboys looking to cushion a loss or dampen a win.

    Fans are too emotional, in general, to be objective.
     
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  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ok then ignore the people you don't want to read.
     
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  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I do, I was just answering your question. Short answer: impossible to universally determine.
     
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  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    There ain't no rules for this sort of thing. Freddie Roach started showing signs in his late twenties. Ali in his late thirties. Meanwhile, Jake LaMotta is still walking around in his eighties with no effects like he's invincible.
     
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