An article that lays out how floyd is juicing and USADA's corruption

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  1. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even Big Kip Roider standing behind Floyd has a guilty look on his face. :D
     
  2. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So no proof as usual. yawn
     
  3. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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  4. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thomas Hauser is a former chairman in the BWAA and usually writes for ***********.com and thesweetscience.com, but this article was on neither, why? I'll tell you why Hauser is also known for his fiction works and SB NATION is known for occasionally posting fictional articles. For example, the article they posted late June, that has since been removed that Allen Iverson signed a 1 year 1 million dollar contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers. There is everything you need to know about this article.
     
  5. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A MISTAKE FROM WHO?

    MANNY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FILLING OUT HIS PAPERWORK. NOBODY ELSE. IF SOMEBODY ELSE NOT ON HIS TEAM FILLED IT OUT, YOU WOULD BE RIGHT.

    Did somebody brainwash manny and hypnotize him into marking down stupid **** on his paper :patsch

    you have a brain, use it.
     
  6. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was using too much Toradol, supposedly. However, nothing states that it enhances you. It takes away pain and the dude that took it said it didn't even last very long.

    "Although the Minnesota pregame shot provided temporary relief, Armstead was still in pain during halftime, at which point he said Tibone "poked and prodded my shoulder, and he stuck a needle in my shoulder." Again, Armstead said, his pain became manageable for a brief period, but by the fourth quarter he was taken out of the game because his left arm hurt so much that he couldn't use it at all."

    A dude called it a wonder drug- not because it enhanced your abilities but because it took away the pain... which, uhm, is the exact thing it's supposed to do.

    ". . .former NFL safety Darren Sharper as a "wonder drug" that allowed him to get "shot in the butt, and within 10 minutes nothing hurts."

    The questioning wasn't over it enhancing him, but him using too much which could cause life-threatening results.

    Same with this article. Nothing about the drug enhancing a player but a forewarning that football players and athletes using it on a continuous basis (like every game to help with pain) could eventually cause life-threatening side effects like kidney failure, etc. They suggest players shouldn't do this because doctor's are not positive on it's longterm effects and how it could harm you internally if you use it too much.

    This article too. Very dangerous usage of the painkiller. For one example it says, athletes use it to mask pain never allowing their injury to heal but making it continuously get worse.

    "Toradol is the trade name for Ketorolac, an amped-up version of the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory found in Aleve, an over-the-counter painkiller. Toradol becomes a lot more potent than Aleve when injected rather than swallowed, and is available only by prescription.

    A 2002 study found that all but two NFL teams inject players with Toradol on gamedays. How many of the players? The NFL will not release the numbers. Dungy says, "Practically everybody in the NFL is using Toradol."

    Here's the thing -- Toradol in the NFL typically is not used to treat injuries. Rather, NFL players get shot up with the drug when they are feeling fine, in order to reduce sensitivity to pain. This allows them to perform with abandon, producing fantastic plays but also causing long-term health harm -- while sending young people the wrong message, that violent activity does not hurt."

    This doesn't suggest anything about enhancing like a steroid. It's the same thing. It masks pain, not your athletic performance. Now people are beginning to abuse it when they're fine so they don't feel pain which can cause injury. If you're injured, you potentially worsen the injury by taking it. If you're not injured, you're putting yourself at risk to get injured.

    "The pressure to play through pain filters down from the NFL, where performers are well-compensated, to college and high school, where there is only pain."

    This article calls for proper use of the drug. If you're injured and feeling pain, by all means you should take it (but not every game, allow yourself to heal). It won't make you hit harder, run faster, last longer. It will mask an injury.


    This is the same as all the other articles.

    "Dr. Rodeo and other doctors noted the risks associated with cumulative doses of Toradol, like kidney damage, one reason some doctors are curtailing its use. Others want to avoid a slippery slope, in which a player who uses Toradol on game days asks for additional shots after the game or on practice days. Many sports leagues largely let team physicians decide how and when to prescribe the drug, which leaves an opportunity for misuse.

    “The limit I’m worried about is, does it dull the pain so much that it dulls the body part they’ve injured?” said Dr. Carla C. Keirns, a medical ethicist at Stony Brook University, adding that athletes could be prone to reinjury because the warning signs of pain are muted.
    All the articles bring up the prophylactic use of Toradol."

    Valid point. Luckily in Pacquiao's case, he doesn't fight 82 times a year to where Toradol could become an addiction and cause this potentially harmful effects.

    Thanks for posting these articles. I learned a lot about the drug. It basically verified what I already knew about it. It's not an enhancement, and I totally understand why it is perfectly legal today. It is a painkiller like lidocaine. However, this doesn't support your argument but mine. Did you read the articles thoroughly?
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  8. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Idk who filled it out, but that doesn't matter.

    Yeah he or whoever really screwed up on the paperwork. There's a major contradiction in it.

    Here are the forum possibilites and what did happen.


    EXAMPLE 1:

    Are you injured?

    -Yes

    Are you taking meds?

    - Yes, cortisone, PCP, lidocaine, toradol, etc

    (This would suggest he IS injured and would be correctly filled out)

    EXAMPLE 2:

    Are you injured?

    -No

    Are you taking meds?

    -No

    (This would suggest he ISN'T injured and would be correctly filled out)

    EXAMPLE 3:

    Are you injured?

    -Yes

    Are you taking meds?

    -No

    (This is incorrectly filled out. Do you think he is more likely to be injured or not injured by the way the forum looks?)

    EXAMPLE 4:

    Are you injured?

    -No

    Are you taking meds?

    -Yes, cortisone, PCP, lidocanie, toradol

    (This is incorrectly filled out. Do you think he is more likely to be injured or not injured by the way the forum was filled out?)

    Example 4 was Pacquiao's forum. To me, it shows he most likely did have an injury and incorrectly marked "no" because it is MORE LIKELY to accidentally mark down "no" by mistake then it would be to mark down all those specified medications by mistake.

    Please thoroughly read this.
     
  9. freddy-wak

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    floyd aint failing no tests...not when over a billion dollars is made when he fights
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing like using a drug agency that never finds "anyone" using drugs.:lol: Or, when they DO find someone is using drugs, like Morales, they test him five times (all positive) until one test finally shows him "not" using.
    :roll:

    As of Aug. 1, 2015, VADA had conducted drug testing for 18 professional fights. Three of the fighters tested by VADA (Andre Berto, former IBF-WBA 140-pound champion Lamont Peterson, and former 135-pound WBA titleholder Brandon Rios) tested positive for a banned substance.

    Contrast that with USADA. Annie Skinner says that Mayweather-Berto will be the 46th fight for which USADA has conducted drug testing. In an Aug. 14, email she acknowledges, “At this time, the only professional boxer under USADA’s program who has been found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation is Erik Morales.”

    One can speculate that, had Halestorm Sports not broken the Morales story, USADA might not have “found” that Morales committed an anti-doping violation either.
     
  11. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thoroughly read what? speculation of what would have happened if manny wrote something else? Of course it would be different if he wrote something else.

    But he wrote what HE WROTE.
     
  12. jesse

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    You're blinded by your fandom. For someone who comes off as a somewhat intelligent person, you're making yourself look foolish. The question is an extremely clear, yes or no question. There is nothing to be misunderstood in the question, and it was no mistake on Mannys part to check that he wasn't injured. Even if it's true that he was seriously nursing a shoulder injury, he was not going to check yes under any circumstances. Stop being silly
     
  13. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Las Vegas needs to keep him performing and bringing in revenue.
     
  14. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Omfg. You're not getting it.
     
  15. TheDarkLord

    TheDarkLord Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They're ALL doing it imo, well the guys who are winning are.

    You're not going to beat a world class PED user, unless you yourself are pedding.