Should there be a 200-220 division?

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  1. tylerdurden

    tylerdurden It's OK to have beliefs, just don't believe them Full Member

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    Brian Minto raised the idea - There seem to be a lot of boxers who would fit comfortably between 200-220, but they aren't Cruisers or the current generation of Super-Heavy beasts. Create a separate Heavy division and we'd see some great KO power fights, and avoid the plodding giants.
     
  2. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I could see that. Before the CW any weight above 175 is considered HW and the current niche of CW are indeed very good. I like the idea because it seems the top HW are now over 220 suggesting weight and size matters as a physical attribute as you climb up the HW division.
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    problem is that the HW division isn't one of the strong ones out there and adding another weightclass (too many already) will only weaken the division.
    I think it's fine as it is now. In the ye olde days we also had very big guys (for the time) mixing it up with little dudes.
     
  4. Deslizer

    Deslizer Frisian Full Member

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    It's an interesting idea for fat cruiserweights that don't want to bring the 200lb-limit ... like Minto, Chambers etc.
    Maybe there should be a new CW limit then (190lb), cus it's a bigger step from LHW-limit to CW-limit (190-175=25lb)

    But expect that a lot of boxer around 230lb would make those 220lb (Wilder and Povetkin f.e.).

    This would result in a "super heavyweight division" (above 220lb) with even less class than the current heavyweight. It might be horrible.

    The BoxRec-Top10 above 220lb would be:
    1. Klitschko
    2. Fury
    3. Pulev
    4. Thompson
    5. Teper
    6. Takam
    7. Chagaev
    8. Stiverne
    9. Joshua
    10. Chisora
    11. Parker
    12. Browne
    13. Hammer
    14. Perez
    15. Solis (could make 220 ... if he would ... but he would't).
     
  5. tylerdurden

    tylerdurden It's OK to have beliefs, just don't believe them Full Member

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    Make it 228 then. It would be good for avoiding Valuev type snorefests, and Fury's last 2 fights where in bouts without ANY entertainment whatsoever, he beat Chisora and Hammer by jabbing them with an 11" reach advantage.
    I think there needs to be a division for powerful guys who are 5"11 to 6"4
    I honestly think it could be the most entertaining division.
    Saying how s@it the Super Heavys would be just proves my point
    Get rid of the boring giants
     
  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It would be much better for boxing to simply get rid of the cruiserweight class. There's a lot of 6'3", 6'2", and even 6'4" guys hiding down there who rehydrate to 210-215 on fight night. They could easily hold their own with some of the best in the heavyweight division and we'd automatically double the talent pool. If you cut the current heavyweight talent pool there won't be enough fighters in either to make a competitive and interesting weight class.
     
  7. junkhead

    junkhead My dogs watch me post Full Member

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    Part of me wants to say yes. Part of me already hates that there is toooo many weight classes.
     
  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Nah..

    After LHW which the limit is 175, they should make a new weight class between Cruiserweight and LHW called Light Cruiserweight from 175.1-185. 185.1-199 should be Cruiserweight, 199.1-220 should be Heavyweight and 220-unlimited should be Super Heavyweight.
     
  9. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Pandering further to gassing giants isn't helping boxing.
     
  10. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    This gets brought up every so often and the answer will imo always be the same. No.

    The divisions are fine. If anything there are too many, adding another is just making it worse. The stand out guys in that division will just move up to where the money is at much like the cruisers do now anyways.
     
  11. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say raise the LHW limit to 180 and CW limit to 210 without adding new divisions. It was 190 40 years ago, then raised to 200. It's not like it's never happened before.
     
  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    There are enough divisions as there is, no point adding more pointless titles.

    This new division like the current cruiser division would get ignored as the best guys would bulk up to fight in the more lucrative super heavy division.

    And even if this doesn't happen, this would just dilute the talent pool of surrounding divisions. Look at the history of the middleweight and light heavyweight divisions, used to be stacked but now these divisions while still having some great fighters have been deemed less competitive and shallow in terms of talent. Only now has the light heavy division seemed more stacked with talent but Golovkin is head and shoulder above anyone else at 160lbs. The creation of super middleweight has taken fighters from both light heavy and middle making those divisions weaker than they would have been.
     
  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bad idea imo. Most reasons as to why have already been provided.
     
  14. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
  15. DSG496

    DSG496 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal