What if Muhammad Ali wasn't suspended?

I said similar on a different thread. Ali was never impossible to hit like people make out. Terrell and Folley hit him, just not hard or often enough; that's what Joe excelled at.

 

chances are he would be undisupted number 1 ATG instead of jostling with Louis.

He'd have just as long a reign, probably longer but we'd probably be spared his fiasco with Spinks - he's have retired long before that might happen, once he had Louis records, likely in about 75. I am thinking however that he'd pick up one loss along the way of that reign, likely to Norton or Frazier, and he'd come back and take his title back in a disputed decision, which would encourage him to retire soon after.

Being that combination of stubborn and unthrift, ali might well end up coming back and getting beat up by holmes again.

Likely still get Parkinsons though, sad to say. hell, its hard to type that.

 

Well he was 25 going into the exile and usually back then it was thought heavyweights generally peaked and were still filling out going into their late twenties.
So although he wouldn't have got any faster he would probably have been a bit bulkier, but with the same speed and athleticism and probably a bit more savvy.
The suspicion was he was starting to hit a bit harder at that period and although the lay off effect is generally overrated I still think there was a slightly better version which we never saw.
As for a Frazier fight in that period as someone has already said Joe would always give him hell,but I think Ali would have had enough to come through,but certainly it was no given.

 

Yet more lies from you. Ali was not into training in 68 in any way shape or form worth mentioning It would have been pointless, as he knew his case would not be heard by the appeal court for at least 2 years after his licence was suspended and he had the jail sentence hanging over his head.

You do know it was the court that took away his licence to fight, and his passport don't you? It was nothing to do with any boxing association, which was why his supporters were outraged. It was highly unusual to say the least for a court to take away a mans livelihood whilst he was on bail awaiting appeal.

And what has the other sh it you wrote about Ali " looking " in great shape in 1970 got to do with anything idiot? Ali always looked in great shape even against Holmes. Are you the only moron in the world who doesn't know post exile Ali took huge amounts of diuretics to help him lose weight rapidly?roll:

Finally to take your level of imbecility to an even higher plain you come out with the moronic.

" A guy that was almost impossible to hit cleanly is easier to fight than a guy who got hit often."

 

If this

Jackie Silvers 73-65 judges: Tony Canzano 74-63, Jackie Johnstone 74-62

is your idea of a bruising fight, I'd hate to see how you describe a one sided beating.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

That was the whole point about PRE EXILE Ali NO ONE could hit him hard or often enough, not just Terrell or Folley.

What those of us who saw the guy both pre and post exile are stating is we firmly believe but for the forced exile Ali would have been just as hard to hit cleanly and often no matter who had been in the other corner between 67 and 70, INCLUDING Joe Frazier.

 

what if's , if only's , what might of been , you can say all this about anybody at anytime in there life , the path you choose is the path you take and thats it , maybe just maybe he would not be the legend he is today had he not been suspended , nobody knows . if i went in that pub instead of that pub that wednesday night all those years ago i would not have a wonderful son now . lifes pathways are many , what will be will be , its a story nobody will ever know .

 

Didn't Ali go to hospital ****ing blood afterwards? I never said he didn't win, just that it was a bruising fight for him. Chuvalo made him earn it. Ali did hardly any dancing in that fight and certainly wasn't unhittable. If a limited pressure fighter like Chuvalo could make him look ordinary and land punches to his head and body, then it's not hard to see Joe Frazier doing exactly what he did when they fought.

 

There you go again. It was not a bruising fight, and Chuvalo did not make Ali look ordinary, the film reflects the scores if you would care to take a look. Of course Chuvalo landed the occasional punches, but how many did he take in return, it was far from gruelling, and even further from close.

 

All very well if one believes in fairy tales, but would you like to name another 10 people who received this for refusing to join the military?

After Ali's title defense against Zora Folley on March 22, he was stripped of his title due to his refusal to be drafted to army service. His boxing license was also suspended by the state of New York. He was convicted of draft evasion on June 20 and sentenced to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

He was systematically denied a boxing license in every state and stripped of his passport. As a result, he did not fight from March 1967 to October 1970—from ages 25 to almost 29—as his case worked its way through the appeal process. In 1971, the US Supreme Court overturned his conviction in a unanimous 8-0 ruling (Thurgood Marshall abstained from the case).

Now you can take every path in the forest if you want to, but if they are all blocked by the might of the establishment, that means you have no choice.

 

think you missed my point lol , i know the history by the way .

the point i was trying to make in easy terms to understand is the path he took was "to refuse induction" , we will never know what might have been , the same way you , me and every other person on the planet has choices at pivotal points in their lives , we choose which path to take and thats the end of it , had we done this , had we done that , they say hindsight is a wonderful thing when its not , all it does it question what might of been with usually a happier ending to the one you live with now . sad but true .

 

A handful of ali's fights were not as one sided with the scoring as people wish to believe...the truth is Ali even when not landing punches or missing them still magically tallied them up on the scorecards.Many of his fights were one sided but he was not the defensive skilled boxer one is lead to believe either half the time.particularly when he fought anyone with a heart beat.

 

Anyone with a heartbeat? You say that as though it was only an occasional occurrence.
Here's a fighter who from 1960 until 1981 fought every top heavyweight it was possible to fight some 2 and 3 times, ducking absolutely no one, not one.
You're agenda is pathetic. It's not just a case of continually rubbishing Ali, you rubbish every fighter he ever fought just to make you're beloved Wlad look good in comparison.
You're no boxing fan, you're simply a fanboy.

 

I still think he loses to Frazier.