Should Mayweather-Pacquiao be changed to a No Contest?

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    OK, fair enough. I strongly disagree as you seem to be downplaying the importance of the protocol itself, especially in light of the fact that these details were reportedly so tediously decided throughout the prolonged arduous negotiations process.

    Between Floyd having the IV administered in the privacy of his home, the volume that was administered, and the fact that approval was done retroactively - if you don't think those details, taken together, constitute reason for suspicion and questionable integrity, than nothing I say will convince you otherwise.

    Personally, I think the whole thing stinks.

    I'll also add that, if the shoe was reversed, and Pacquiao was having an IV administered in his hotel room, with excessive volume, and retroactive approval, that more than a handful of Mayweather fans would view this as a smoking gun. (But on the flip side, I'm sure the Pac faithful that are ecstatic regarding this news would be defending him vehemently, much like the Floyd faithful are doing for him now).

    If the details in the protocol are just trivial matters, then why go through the process of establishing a standard procedure in the first place?

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  2. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Suspicion maybe, not guilt. Suspicion is not enough to overturn a decision.
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    Correction - there is guilt. Protocol wasn't properly followed on at least 3 counts, if my understanding is correct. Or are you OK with boxers just randomly breaking protocol?

    In any case, these details lead to greater suspicion of possibly even worse wrong doing. An aura of doubt emerges when you take these deviations from protocol into consideration as a whole. Kind of like suspicions surrounding Pacquiao when he seemed reluctant to take tests way back when.
     
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  4. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As long as Mayweather remains the sports cashcow, you can be sure that he'll remain Teflon. He could probably shoot up in the dressing room before a fight & no-one will be able to touch him.
     
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  5. wylan911

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    2nd Correction: “Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today" . Bennett: I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a the****utic-use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada,” Bennett said. “USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered. That is USADA error, again not a deviation from protocol by Mayweather. So suspicion. Not guilt
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    1. Was it properly approved?

    2. Was it administered in an appropriate location?

    3. Did the organization with proper jurisdiction and oversight issue the TUE prior to the fight?

    4. Were there instances of deviation from standard protocol?
     
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr.'s victory over Hall still stands despite popping on the commission tests.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

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    Yet Toney's win over Ruiz was quickly overturned, and he was suspended for a far briefer period than Vargas was in the aftermath... what was it? The Oscar fight?

    In any case, lack of consistency on such matters comes at a cost - that being a lack of credibility.
     
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  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's not the only one that was never overturned that should have been. I would be surprised if it is changed to an NC despite all the media attention.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

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    I'd be shocked, too.

    But then again, if they're looking for a marketing ploy to to help manufacture greater interest in the rematch...

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  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes Toney got 90 days while Vargas got 9 months. NSAC have clarified their procedures in regards to bans for using prohibited substances but it only came into effect on the 1st of Sept.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    You mean like a week ago?

    :lol:
     
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  13. wylan911

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    If you can help me out, and please point out where it outlines:
    1. If approval is need
    2. Where it is required to be administered
    3. What organiztion is required
    4. What is the standard protocol

    Here is the document:
    This content is protected

    it is the NSAC rules. Please note the article and subsection.
     
    wylan911, Sep 11, 2015
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  14. Brighton bomber

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    Bit of a coincidence, I think not. They've known this story was in the pipeline and clearly have begun damage control to show how seriously they are taking PED use while still not instigating random testing.
     
    Brighton bomber, Sep 11, 2015
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  15. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Regardless of how he easily nullified Manny through controlling the distance, exploiting his inability to avoid or fight out of clinches and surprising him with his speed and power in the counters... he still broke the rules even if he did not mask anything and it was purely for dehydration, so first and foremost he broke the rules and technically that means changing it to NC = fair.
     
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