Mayweather, USADA & Cover-Ups: Truth on Drug Testing in Boxing

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  1. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    double m

    what caused your dehydration
     
  2. gottagivafight

    gottagivafight When you least expect it, expect it!!! banned Full Member

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    Kinda feel sorry for Pimp C right now...his Hero/Knight in Shining Armor is beginning to look like a fraud right now. We should have him on suicide watch, huh!
     
  3. gold

    gold Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bs you made that up
     
  4. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    really, he did?

    i thought he was telling the truth so i started looking up how dehydration causes hyperventilation on Wedmd

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    :rofl
     
  5. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    I hope arum goes after may and his doping with everything he's got. He is almost 90 and doesnt need the money anymore.
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's written in the WADA Code that there is no science to prove that IV rehydrates better than any other method. You know just in case some mo ron is gonna argue that he needs a damn IV to rehydrate. :lol:
     
  7. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    Yeah, IV use is only for severe dehydration and has to be done in a hospital setting, due to other complications that could arise.

    There is a point of dehydration where even if you drink water, you will throw it up causing the dehydration effects to increase. I've been dehydrated on a number of occassions. What you feel, is full body cramping, tingles (pins and needles) in your extremities, and nausea. Even at that point, I didn't have to go to the hospital for an IV. I just ate ice chips and once I was able to get through an hour, proceed to drink water.
     
  8. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    This looks real bad on Floyd...

    Too bad he will get off the hook, it makes me sick the way he can do whatever he wants and not have to pay.
     
  9. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    USADA's attempting to say that no rules were broken, but it seems to be saying that TUEs for IV drips are no big deal and are handed out on request.
    Just goes to show how lax the anti-doping agencies really are.

    On the same USADA website as the response to Hauser's article, they also have this :

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    We have seen an increase in inquires at USADA about the use of Intravenous (IV) Infusions for this purpose, and would like to assist athletes and medical personnel by offering education. In accordance with the WADA Prohibited List (Category M2 Chemical and Physical Manipulation), all IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL (~3.4 tablespoons) per 6-hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL per 6-hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition unless the athlete has applied for and been granted a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) under the applicable anti-doping rules. Further, if a prohibited substance that is administered intravenously or via injection, a TUE is necessary for this substance regardless of volume.

    Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and/or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport. Further, it must be clearly stated that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild rehydration or help speed recovery is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific opinion to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice. Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes.

    Athletes should be aware that in specific cases, for example at an Olympic Games, there are specific no-needle policies requiring declarations of all injections/infusions, which aim to protect the health of athletes, encourage best medical practice, and discourage the use of techniques/manipulation that may be considered doping. In these instances, prior approval must be granted for ANY infusion and/or injection of prohibited or non-prohibited substance.

    In cases where IV infusions/injections are deemed medically necessary, good medical practice must ensure that: 1) a clear, well-justified diagnosis has been established; 2) no non-prohibited alternative treatment exists; 3) this treatment will not enhance performance other than to return the athlete to a normal state of health; 4) the treatment is administered by qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting; and 5) adequate medical records of the treatment are maintained. Athletes and support personnel administering IV infusions which cannot be medically justified are committing an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) whether or not the individual substances are prohibited. In such cases, both the athlete and the personnel administering the IV infusion may be sanctioned.

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    http://www.usada.org/is-it-prohibit...g-iv-infusions-for-re-hydration-and-recovery/

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    I don't see how USADA are being consistent.
    Are they saying Mayweather was in need of an IV due to a "medical emergency" ?
    or "in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes." ??

    Which is it ?
     
  10. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah USADA is trying to cover their asses now all of a sudden their was a nurse on site yeah ok ..


    Also USADA does not do random testing now :lol:


    "Also, USADA does not conduct “random” testing. Rather, in accordance with the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) International Standard for Testing and Investigations (ISTI), testing is carried out pursuant to a strategic testing plan to maximize deterrence and detection."


    Man Mayweather is being exposed left and right :lol:
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    I wouldn't be surprised if USADA change or remove the page I copied from, because it clearly runs contrary to the "defence" they are mounting against Hauser's article.

    IV drips are prohibited. TUEs for IV drips are given out only for medical emergencies, according to their own statements.
    Not for mild dehydration or routine recovery.

    Has anyone got any idea what "medical emergency" was being addressed by Mayweather ?
     
  12. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes his health he was scared of what Manny would,do to him so he needed to roid up :D
     
  13. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And on the topic of dehydration. W t f is he doing that he is that dehydrated for weigh in? He's never had a problem making weight for a weight class that is equivalent to his natural weight. W t f, is he a 165lb walking weight shrinking down to 147lb? No, he's 150 normal weight skipping a meal to make 147lb.

    There is no logic to the dehydration.
     
  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The USADA's official response has some meaningful corrections; some flat denials rather than alternative factual explanations, whilst other points made just seem to be page-filling and begging for sympathy, e.g. referring to Hauser's use of the term 'not-for-profit' to describe the USADA corporation, "Mr. Hauser unnaturally places this term in quotes, apparently to infer to the reader some malfeasance by USADA."
    That's not a correction that's just pointless whining.

    Overall, this is a typical smoke-screen approach designed to address a few genuine corrections of Hauser's report but, at the same time, flood the issue with a lot of meaningless and equally unprovable statements to dilute the matter at hand.

    The long and the short of it is that, whoever decided to allow the administration of an IV at >50ml/hr under the auspices of a Retroactive TUE, needs to have been convinced that there were sound clinical reasons for doing so and that these reasons met not only the criteria for granting the TUE but also those of a Retroactive TUE. Thus far, the circumstances in which all this took place seem not to indicate that either the Method or the TUE were absolutely necessary.

    No doubt, however, we will see subsequent statements, which further attempt to justify the technical/clinical position of the USADA, in due course.