Ariza defends Floyd

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  1. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    his T/ E ratio was not released for this fight.......correction

    also it was clearly established that 50 m/l in any 6 hour period was legal


    you are preaching to the choir
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It would require a doctor to be present to at least diagnose Mayweather as requiring an IV. I assume USADA do not give out TUE's without a medical examination to prove it was required. If a medical examination was done then I'd assume a doctor was present at the time of the IV unless of course if the examination was done before hand then it brings into question as to why the TUE was a retroactive one and why it took Mayweather over 2 weeks to apply for it.

    The whole thing reeks. USADA says they were informed before for the need for a TUE, if that's the case why was it given retroactively? When Mayweather applied for the retroactive TUE on the 19th it took one day to OK it. If Mayweather only needed a day in advance for the committee to OK a TUE and he had already informed USADA of the need why need a retroactive one when he could have requested a normal TUE before hand after the doctor had examined him and received an OK by the time he needed it after the weight in. USADA's view of events simply do not add up and what happened after makes even less sense.
     
  3. bw51

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    plus the TUE clause was put into the contract in april

    also the contract states that neither party is allowed to seek legal recourse if a violation occurred


    dodgy
     
  4. maguswarlock

    maguswarlock Active Member Full Member

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    I can answer that easily.
    Because floyd took illegal stuff and and hiding it illegally, and usada trying to cover it with a TUE (retro one) even though they cant give TUEs

    Simple.
     
  5. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WADA was not applicable.
     
  6. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously, this is something the haters want to hold on desperately too. I'd take Ariza's word over that of these armchair experts and gumshoe detectives.

    If I understand this correctly. He was apparently within his right to receive the IV, as long as the proper paperwork was administered. He did not do that beforehand. And he was allowed to do so retroactively. NSAC took issue with how this was handled; because, they were not aware until after the fact. But, they did not feel there was any cheating involved...just unprofessionalism on the part of USADA. They could have pushed to overturn the victory if they felt otherwise. Nothing to see here...time to move on. Haters can't get the man beaten in the ring. So, they want to kill his legacy outside the ring. Guess what? He is still rich and 49-0. That's not likely to change; because of an administrative error.

    Unfortunately, TMT seems to have a history of these issues. I recall something like this happened when Floyd couldn't make weight against JMM and filed the paperwork late to get the weight limit moved to 147. They really need to get things straight in that back office.
     
  7. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Has VADA ever tested Pac?
     
  8. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    no.....incorrect...let me rephrase

    you need a medical reason which has to be authorized and admistered in a medical capacity in order to receive the IV. IV can only be administered retroactvely in extreme cases where the patient requires it immediately

    being that floyd did not meet the criteria...he broke the rules and USADA assisted with this...FULL STOP..

    given that IVs are synonymous with PED masking, without proper protocol he looks like a cheater bc he took an amount that was 14x over the legal limit .....if it was within the limit...nobody wud be saying anything

    along with hiis skewed T/E ratio indicate sythntetic hormone usage...it looks bad

    read up properly on the facts before commenting
     
  9. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The medical reason was dehydration. You can't "administer" an IV retroactively...I think you mean "approve". And USADA filed the TUE so as to have this approved retroactively. So, in essence they took advantage of an existing loophole in the WADA code.
     
  10. Marv888

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  11. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Stop lying and posting misinformation.:lol:
     
  12. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    usada is a testing agency...they take blood and urine to test them

    was the DCO ( doping control offficer) a qualified doctor or physician's assistant nurse or what have you. no, he did it illegally in his house.

    NSAC is irrefutibly quoted that USADA is not authorized to grant TUE

    USADA filed or administered....same difference....fact is they sat on it for weeks especially since they are now claiming that floyd notified in advance

    this is not in the spirit of the rulebook which states specifically when retroactive TUE are allowed under WADA code for ISTUE ( international standards for TuE)

    i will copy and paste it later


    conclusion, dehydration does not constitute a reason for a TUE especially when oral hydration is superior

    yoou are at least correct in saying that USADA took advantage of a loophole
     
  13. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    ok you want me to stop paraphrasing the WADA rulebook ? :patsch
     
  14. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This guy posted the best known info on the use of large IVs in sport, and the Floyd case in particular.

    You, on the other hand, are over in another thread claiming GGG hasnt sold many tickets in his career and proclaiming yourself to be some kind of great boxing mind.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who is posting misinformation.
    Perhaps you'll be best served to stick with shooting hoops and/or cr aps
     
  15. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No need. I've pasted it here. Here's what's required when you receive infusions outside the hospital, when a surgical procedure or clinical investigation isn't involved. This shows you CAN do it, if a TUE is filed. And one was...although it was filed late and for retoractive approval. As I said...filing for retroactive approval must be a legal loophole.

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    Requirements for a TUE when the infusion is NOT given during a hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation.

    Prohibited Method: IV infusion of >50 ml/6 h Prohibited Substance: Insulin

    Need TUE for substance

    Need TUE for method

    Permitted Method: Infusion of <50 ml/6 h Prohibited Substance: Insulin

    Need TUE for substance

    Prohibited Method: IV infusion of >50 ml/6 h Permitted substance: Glucose/saline

    Need TUE for method

    Permitted Method: Infusion of <50 ml/6 h Permitted Substance: Liquid iron supplement

    No TUE