Ariza defends Floyd

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  1. maguswarlock

    maguswarlock Active Member Full Member

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    And floyd was severely dehydrated according to mvc.
     
  2. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was the TUE approved or not?
     
  3. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I will ask this again. Was the TUE approved or not?
     
  4. maguswarlock

    maguswarlock Active Member Full Member

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    Doesnt matter 750ml IV, "retroactive" TUE, not a normal TUE.. For "severe dehydration" just before the fight.. :lol:
     
  5. bw51

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    yes but while in your mind this lets floyd off the hook the accusation is all encompassing

    the accuusation is against floyd, usada and, ultimately, nsac as the governing body approving the TUE

    so your rhetorical question renders useless in the debate in absence of additional fact

    only the accused can defend themsleves. we, the people, ask who was the doctor and if dehydration is a medical emergency

    the UFC is adopting USADA now as their drug testing agency and mma fighters are pi$$ed bc they WILL not be allowed to use IVs

    it is said that some 50 percent of athletes use IVs for rehydration, imagine if this 50 percent of competing athletes applied for retroactive IVs for dehydration

    floyd is guilty of cheating the system he tries to propagate. if " x " percentage of athletes use IVs for PED masking, then the rules are designed to make sure that number is 0 percent

    i ask you again, do you want a clean system with integrity or a system where exceptions are made for favoured athletes
     
  6. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, that's not what is in mind. It's not my job to govern the system (or yours). if higher authorities are needed than the ones involved, they should get involved. The "accused" should be tried fairly. And if the "accused" are found guilty of breaking the law, they should be punished accordingly.

    But, the court of public opinion is not the place for that. It's full of extreme bias and agendas. Therefore, it has little merit in the grand scheme of things. So, I prefer to stick to the facts that count. A late TUE was approved retroactively for an otherwise prohibited practice. There is no evidence of doping, masking, or cheating. NSAC (the final authority in the matter) has absolved Floyd of any wrongdoing. And NSAC has scolded USADA for its lack of professionalism in this matter.

    People who have no authority are injecting other details which they have no ability to substantiate in a court of law. They are in essence making accusations, which are meant to do nothing more than stir the pot, not expose anything. That's what's in my mind.
     
  7. bw51

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    understood, but that is why people protest when policy is not administered properly

    thomas hauser, under of freedom of speech, postered an article based on facts he acquired. bc it is deemed to be factual, it is non-slanderous

    consensus, agrees with Hauser, and a further read into the WADA rulebook further shows a violation which you also evidenced with a simple copy and paste

    so we are going in circles...public opinion is not the official arbitrator...agreed. but from what we can see, the governing body, NSAC is part of the problem which is prompting a demand for a federal investigation.

    this could all go away with some transperancy but radio silence is only furthers the guilt.
     
  8. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NSAC has always been the problem. They have stubbornly remained behind the times in their stance and approach to prevent doping in combat sports. They have allowed the fighters and other agencies like USADA and VADA to come in and essentially dictate the testing protocol. So, they are behind the eight ball when things like this happen.

    Sometimes silence is the best option. The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. There is no guilt without substantive proof...only speculation. I am not a lawyer. But, I do believe that's how the law works.
     
  9. Manfred

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    I haven't heard or read anything from WADA.
     
  10. maguswarlock

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    There is 750ml evidence of masking,
    what is floyd's reason for taking that IV?
    for rehydration? :lol:
    give me evidence of floyd being severely dehydrated enough for him to be allowed a retroactive TUE for an IV of that amount (of substances that can be used to mask PED, doping) cmon,
     
  11. jonze86

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    According to MVC Floyd is really small Welterweight.and barely cuts any weight.

    We can only speculate,but one thing is sure Floyd take illegal amounts of IV.

    Was it to hide steroids?i'm not a judge,but it would seem obvious.or other choice is Floyd was close to 160pounds and wanted to play it's safe on evening of his biggest fight.

    Just hope that somebody puts proper investigations and in couple of years.we know for sure was it for PEDS or not.
     
  12. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Roger could use the in home nurse not Floyd. :(
     
  13. bw51

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    i disagree

    hauser presented a list of facts that point in the same direction of suspicion.
    to escalate it further we need to get additional facts which he requested. no responde was given...

    what was the medical reason , who was the doctor, how did they handle floyds T/e ratio samples in 2011, can t hey release test results to show there was no breakdown in protocol for tests before and after given the IV use

    at this point since floyd is not willing to share info, a federal investigation is the only thing that can bypass the silence if one were convicted to the idea to testing integrity on all levels


    when pac counter sued floyd and demanded his tests in court of law, floyd paid pac to settle out of court..
     
  14. bw51

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    NSAC is the governing agency in this case
     
  15. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok here is the deal on whats going on. Floyd hires USADA to work as a deterrent so his opponents don't get any ideas of trying to cheat due to fear of being busted. But they don't know that the tests USADA administer are inferior. At the same time Floyd his having his vitamins and whatever he needs and beats the USADA system. That's whats going on so just accept it! :D