Top Ten P4P regardless of resume/accomplishments

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  1. InsideJab

    InsideJab Member Full Member

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    we're all familiar with the Ring Magazine P4P top ten, this is a list that very much bares resume and lineal weightclass rankings in mind meaning many prospects or possibly avoided fighters are not included or as high as they could be. Post your top ten fighters regardless of current resume based purely on fighting ability not taking accomplishments into consideration.

    Here is mine:

    1. Vasyl Lomachenko
    2. Guillermo Rigondeaux
    3. Andre Ward
    4. Manny Pacquiao
    5. Genandy Golovkin
    6. Roman Gonzalez
    7. Sergey Kovalev
    8. Terence Crawford
    9. Saul Alvarez
    10. Nicholas Walters
     
  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Ward
    2. Khan
    3. Brook
    4. GGG
    5. Wlad
    6. Pac
    7. Kov
    8. Lom
    9. Rig
    10. Cotto
     
  3. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gonzalez
    GGG
    Wlad
    Kovalev
    Rigo
    Ward
    Lara
    Usyk
    Crawford
    Brook
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    That's actually what the original definition of P4P was. If all were the the same height/weight who would win?
    Nowadays it has become more a resume regardless of weightclass thing.
     
  5. elmerbud

    elmerbud Member Full Member

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    1 loma
    2 ward
    3 rigo
    4 ggg
    5 pac
    6 wlad
    7 gonzalez
    8 usyk
    9 brook
    10 kovalev
     
  6. JCC

    JCC Member Full Member

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    Interesting question. Except that is impossible to judge fighting ability not "taking accomplishments into consideration".
     
  7. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    This. Then it becomes "who do I want to win based on who I like more."
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Based on h2h ability within their division it's so hard ranking.

    Wlad has to be up there because no one can touch him.
    Cruiser is a poor division.
    Light heavy has kovalev and Stevenson
    SMW has Ward and DeGale
    MW has Golovkin, Cotto and Canelo
    LMW has noone, Lara isn't as good as we thought.
    WW has Bradley, Garcia, Pacman, Brook
    LWW has Crawford
    LW has no one at all.
    SFW has Garcia and Walters
    FW has Lomachenko and Russell
    SBW has Rigo
    BW has Yamazaki (totally forgot his name but you all know who I mean).
    Small divisions have Gonzalez and Inoue.

    Those are the guys I consider to be the most skilled today. Ranking those is tough. I'm gonna go for the following:

    Crawford
    Ward
    Gonzalez
    Garcia
    Canelo
    Inoue
    Wlad
    Kovalev
    Stevenson
    Golovkin as a top ten.
     
  9. brando

    brando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    where is FMJ? u forgotten now.

    Is that current, 5, 10, 15 or 20 yrs projection from now?
     
  10. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Stupid thread.

    I think Lineras looks good when he fights. Let's have him as p4p number 1..

    I also like the way Usyk and Felix Veredejo fight despite their competition. There goes my p4p top 3
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    A top 10 ranking of a division isn't just a list of "who would win." It is a ranking based on accomplishment.

    Often times the unaccomplished prospect ranked 8-10 enters a step up fight against a top man in the division yet is favored by the vast majority. That doesn't mean they were ever ranked above them.

    So it seems logical that a P4P list would be the same.

    I prefer it that way because it at least challenges someone to remain consistent and also assesses what has actually occurred as opposed to opinion of talent. What you describe is what the term "H2H" is for, or more specifically "P4P H2H," yes?

    Either way, a listing in this manner is also highly flawed as it doesn't factor in styles. Perhaps I feel Rigondeaux beats Kovalev but loses to Ward while Ward beats Rigo but loses to Kovalev. How would one possibly "rank" that on a P4P list using your and this threads' criteria?
     
  12. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Good list.

    1. Devon Alexander
    2. Zou Shiming
    3. Hekkie Buddler
    4. Gabriel Campillo
    5. Kell Brook
    6. Daiki Kameda

    My top 6. It's pretty solid. And impossible to argue inconsistencies or disagree with, using this threads' criteria.
     
  13. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    1. Lomachenko
    2. Rigondeaux
    3. Ward
    4. Gonzalez
    5. Klitschko
    6. Usyk
    7. Kovalev
    8. Pacquiao
    9. Golovkin
    8. Beterbiev

    In terms of current. Pac is a HOF but not ATG level fighter atm.
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Then I'm not talking about you. [emoji14]atsch
     
  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    And for many on this forum that is how it will go.

    Credit to you for setting your emotions aside, I guess?