Why do people judge the old time fighters so harshly?

At least a couple of the guys you named don't even do the every day gym work with their fighters.

 

lying scum?

what have i lied about exactly?

i have admitted everything i do and have typed.

You CHANGE and add words on that were NEVER used in the first place and then you create your own interpretations of what another meant after ADDING and changing words. You don't admit to doing that so i call you a DISHONEST poster. That's why i used specific examples to show how you do this,,,

for example i said, "everyone is racist to a degree"

you quoted me for two days as saying, "everyone is racist" refusing to include , "to a degree" correct? Only after a few days did you bother to quote me correctly. That type of stuff is uncool Foxy. Its misleading which is what you like to do.

Have i said a single thing that i have then claimed i NEVER said Foxy? Have i quoted you as saying something that you never said Foxy? If so what specifically are you talking about or is this latest claim i am a liar more of your misleading gamesmanship?

 

its mainly a lack of knowledge, black and white films and for us old guys none of these young guys ever got hit by the old timers so they love the big muscle guys but the old timers were tough as nails

 

i agree with that :good

 

Can't really say I agree on that score. They may have the knowledge, but imparting it may be a problem, especially since many fighters want their guy to fight as they did, or assume that their guy can do all the things they did.
I can't think of any great fighter that has made a great trainer, come to think of it.

Some of the best trainers of all time never really boxed at all, or boxed much.

 

This couldn't be more wrong.

Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Jabbar and Magic Johnson were pretty poor coaches.

Meanwhile, mediocre players like Pat Riley and Phil Jackson were among the best ever.

 

Both arguments are germane, because there are two hypotheses to explain changes in boxing technique:

A. The sport refined and improved over time.

B. The rules changed, so what constituted desirable technique changed with them.

 

When garbage like this is allowed to be posted....Gentlemen discussing boxing becomes this?

 

well i will remove it if it upsets you, why didn't you just skip it? We are obviously just having a flame war.

 

Yeah, a moderator needs to come in and delete some of this stuff...

 

I don't buy it either. Boxing has always been about building from the jab. The jab is the foundation for everything to do with boxing, both at the highest, and lowest level.

I would say that rather than the jab improving significantly, the standard of judging has generally improved as time has passed, compared to the cowboys ( literally in some cases ) being allowed to ref and judge fights in the early part of the last century.

 

yes a fair point foxy, well done :good

 

So you don't think that the use of the jab improved significantly? I think that quite a few heavyweights in the second half of the 20th century (especially post-Ali) did things with the jab that early 20th century fighters literally could not have dreamed of.

 

Originally Posted by latineg
here is the truth foxy,,,,

If that was to be the case, it would be no one's fault but your own.

These are not the thoughts of rational people duck egg. Rational people NEVER equate a child and such a thing. You did, and by the look of sentence above still do.

This proves without a doubt you have a fertile imagination duck egg, but it doesn't explain why your brain is capable of such sick histrionics.

I didn't ask. I am NOT asking, and quite frankly I don't want to know.

5 more lines of this sickening hysterical nonsense where yet again you bring children into the equation.


Whether or not you get banned is none of my business, but I seriously believe a mental hospital might be the best place for someone who can even IMAGINE the stuff you have written above to be honest duck egg, much less actually write it.

You biggest concern might be whether or not the mods give your IP address to the relevant authorities, and they give you a visit to see what other frankly weird stuff might be on your hard drive.

 

Check out The Straight Left and How to Cultivate It by Jim Driscoll. He wrote it in 1918, I think, and it is all about the jab and how to use it. In fact, he talks then about how the straight left had fallen into disfavor since Ketchel, Papke and others, but how it was being revived by Benny Leonard, Jack Dempsey, Jimmy Wilde, etc...
He talks about it as an instrument of offense and defense, controlling distance. I dont think much has changed; it is still fist-fighting. I think the advent of big gloves killed off a lot of the subtlety and nuance of defense; it was hard to 'cover up' with small gloves.
when you talk about combinations....you have to take care of your hands. That was especially true in the era of 4 ounce gloves- or no gloves- so you didn't throw punches just to be throwing them. You had to know where they were going to land and land them in good places to maximize the damage. Simple cost-benefit ****ysis. So if the fighters of today are throwing more punches, I would submit that they are substantially less accurate and do less damage.