Reality Check: The Truth Behind The Kovalev Vs Stevenson Who's Ducking Who Situation.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :good Yeah that too.:yep
     
  2. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kovalev had no contract with HBO at the time the mandatory was announced (a mandatory that, as you omitted above, Kovalev's team lobbied for and even paid sanctioning fees in order to acquire). The network merely returned the same first/last rights that they had on Stevenson when he left. If they were unwilling or unable to match another network's bid for the fight they would have no legal recourse against Kovalev.

    Of course that changed when Duva reupped the contract knowing full well it would make the fight she pretended she wanted impossible.
     
  3. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just what is educational about this thread?
     
  4. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    All I know is that The Pimp and his team called out Duva and Kovalev and their only response was to close the purse bid and call Adonis a chimp.

    Kovalev is without a doubt petrified of the Pimp. I'd be terrified too. Those prison stories we've heard of him are no joke. The man is too tough for his own good.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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  6. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So your answer to the fact that Kovalev droped his mandatory position, after paying close to 100,000$ for it, was his "honorable loyalty" to a corporation. But they could have went for the bid. GYM said they would have gone to HBO is Kovalev won the bid. But Kovalev's team pulled out.
    A full page of text for that…

    To me they are both piece of shoot, Stevenson being obviously the bigger one.
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    What was the upside to leaving HBO and going to Showtime for Kovalev? He'd burn a bridge with the company that made him a star, or at the very least make them wary of pushing him if he resigned with them eventually. For Kovalev to have an ironclad guaranteed contract probably means a lot to him, we're not talking about some jaded PPV star like Mayweather or Pacquiao who gets 20 to 100 mill per fight and the likelihood that he'll eventually get a fight with the likes of Andre Ward, Oleksandr Gvozdyk, Egor Mekhontsev, Isaac Chilemba, Vyacheslav Shabranskyy, Yunieski Gonzalez, Sullivan Barrera, Sean Monaghan, Medzhid Bektemirov or Dmitry Bivol who either do business with HBO or could in the future as opposed to going to Showtime and taking out Stevenson and then what? Browne? Bute? Alvarez? Only Beterbiev is a good future fight and it seems he want no part of Kovalev yet either.

    Kovalev gave up something he really wanted so much so they spent money trying to make the fight happen based on monetary gains, Duva's relationship with HBO and securing his future. Stevenson went to Showtime for the sole purpose of ducking Kovalev big difference.

    Also in the long run who is the harder fight for him and the better name to have on his resume Andre Ward is.
     
  8. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok with Kovalev, he took a business decision. But he could have went for the bid... They both would have made good money for that one fight which Kovalev probably would have won. Kovalev probably would have made more money in that one fight than in severall fights with HBO.

    On the other hand, Haymon might have put more peanut butter on Stevenson's toast to. It is what Yvon Michel has been saying anyway. Plus Stevenson seems to be a Mayweather wanna be. Being a Haitian living in Quebec, he has some colonized person reflex in that regard. He went for the guy who Mayweather is with.

    What I want to say is that both are to blame for the fact that the fight didn't happen yet. They both made business decision in my opinion.

    And by the way, I don't think Ward weigh any weight in the decision. When Ward accepts a fight with Kovalev call me (I am afraid we will never talk).

    Within all the others, Beterbiev is the best of them all and Chilemba will loose against Alvarez in Quebec city in novembre in that brand new amphitheatre

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SKDeEsuh9M
     
  9. QuadrupleG

    QuadrupleG MAZAFAKA Full Member

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    If we are talking about fighters themselves, not their promoters or advisers, then Kovalev clearly wants to fight Stevenson, while the pimp doesn't.
     
  10. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its obvious that Stevenson is ducking. But they are doing a good job at making it look like its Kovalev doing the ducking. I have to say that the Haymon Propaganda machine does a superb job.:deal
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Fair enough, and I have a feeling we won't be seeing Stevenson or Ward fighting Kovalev anytime soon:-(
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :nod:deal
     
  13. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Type 10 paragraphs and don't say ****. I'm sure if they had the chance they'd have already fought. It's caught up in promotion hell. But it's funny people are getting irate at Superman for getting $1.25MM to fight these guys, and Kovalev got $500k to fight B Hop. Seems like people should be upset with Duva for shortchanging Kkkov
     
  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    " now he's willing to face the man he ran to another channel to avoid" :patsch, He ran to a promoter that is getting him far higher paydays, Kovalev on the other hand re-signed with Duva knowing he would have trouble making a fight with Stevenson. If Kovalev re-signed with Duva because he knew he'd get a bigger payday like Stevenson I would understand, but this was a clear cut duck. It was far worse than Stevenson going to a different network to sign wtih Haymon.
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    God it amazes me the lack of loyalty you guys in this generation have towards people that help you in your lives. You all seem like such money grubbing snakes.