Do you agree with dmatos assessment of Louis vs Ali?

Terrible style matchup for Louis. Ali completely embarrasses him unless he gets sloppy at the wrong moment.

 

Exactly.
Ali was fast on his feet but he had to be in range or close to range to land his own punches.
And someone as technical Joe Louis would find the shortest route with his punches, and while he feet may have seemed slow he had great positioning most of the time.

Besides, men like Henry Cooper and even Zora Folley landed on Ali a few times, and the likes of Chuvalo and Liston managed to corner him or force him to clinch at times.
So a finely-tuned 24-year-old Joe Louis would have plenty of chances and success.

 

There's nothing Ken Norton could do that Joe Louis couldn't do better.
Of course, a prime Ali's a bit better than the version who faced Norton in 1973 (second fight was actually a very good version of Ali though).

 

Of course you have a link for this, right?

 

Im not allowed to post links but ive seen even in Tyson vids with him he referances as Ali as the best,not Louis. ive read several interviews where he said Ali was unbeatable,this was before Tyson had developed.

 

You are wrong..again....Norton had a croutch defense and was very hard to counter..Louis always left his his lead hand down which is why he was countered with rights easily,and really had little head movement.Louis biggest weakness was his defense,and ali would pick that apart.Norton also had a better jab and longer reach than Louis.

 

Good assessment. The way some of these guys talk about Louis, it's amazing that anyone made it out of the second round against him. Joe Louis must have been a merciful god.

 

If Louis’s defence was so bad, then why did nobody do anything about it for 15 years?

 

**** me! Ken Norton had a better jab than Joe Louis, now!

 

Find me a heavyweight who stopped better opponents within the first two rounds, from any era.

Give it your best shot.

 

Besides Tyson? :huh

Nobody carries on like these other heavyweights are angry gods who will end the fight as soon as they manage to touch their ATG opponents though. (Foreman might be the closest but at least people here acknowledge his limitations).

 

Its simple, lack of technique and/or knowledge of a proper jab and more importantly the right hand counter really wasn't used that much then ,all it took was I "THINK" Johnson telling Shmelling throw the overhand right and bam...there you have what the results would be. Louis was dropped before with overhand rights but no one really picked up on counter punching in those days.The simple truth is ,you CANNOT fight like that anymore with such weak defense stances.

 

The vast majority of his opponents were too slow and unskilled to do anything about it (not just the Bum of the Month club). Ali wouldn't be.

PS- little guys like Conn and Walcott "did something about it" just not quite enough, apparently.

 

Are you implying that Louis wasn't infallible and his technique wasn't perfect? Are you some kind of heretic?

 

Including Tyson.

Make a pick, and we will do a comparison.