Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Frazier

fists of fluff good to see you!:good

 

comment 165 appears to be from JAB ??? lmao

what type of a game are you playing Termite?

cant you even clarify what your point is? Isnt it the reason you are in this thread?

 

Yea and who and what is he replying to? really this is dumb,two imbeciles jumping in a convo on Frazier and vits ,one is you the troll,and the other even started the thread and still hasn't a clue but jumps in the middle of someone elses convo anyway and accusses me of changing the topic which he wasn't involved in,equals two clueless posters .:deal

 

Fair points! I'll be the first to admit that perhaps my macro-biases can weigh a little too heavily, but there will always be room for exceptions on an individual level as well.

 

i am a dumb troll simply because i am TRYING to ask you what point you are trying to make?

Is it really that difficult for you to come up with your answer? Is it not your answer? The reason your in this thread?

have you noticed that whenever i have tried to get you to clarify your POINT in past instead of doing so you just keep coming up with endless insults of how other posters are trolls and stupid???

why not just pay attention to your own points more?

see where that takes you ?

 

Sorry this is boring you can follow the convo it starts on 165 and even before that! Maybe you can catch up ...."maybe" :roll:


im not going to EXPLAIN anything when its POSTED already! :dead

 

I would say 'likewise' but I'd be lying.:good

 

i did follow it, that's why i started to then ask you what specific point you were trying to make after i started following it and why??

i couldn't figure it out because all you were doing was jumping from one point to another.

those the reason why i posted to you asking you to clarify your specific point because i couldn't figure it out

you think you are the only one that is bored termite?

 

Of course it has something to do with it you moron. You claim history has nothing to do with the conversation, it does. You say Frazier couldnt beat Vits, I broke down why I believe he could. You than countered with you standard "Frazier could never beat a 6'7" olympic champion, hr's to small!". I than countered this ridiculous notion by pointing out examples in boxing history. You reply, "You wouldnt even have heard of Frazier if Vittles was around in the 60's and 70's!". You simply have no logical argument that myself or the many others that have kicked you around in this thread cant disect and back up with historical facts to prove the opposite of your skewered theories. You're nothing but a troll, son. Everyone here can see this.

 

And history shows the bigger champions were the best ones...you continue to shoot yourself in the foot whys that?


You cannot throw other matches in this,its a simple battle of a 205 pound small fighter vs an extremely large one that was 250 and about 9 inches taller...and guess what? It has nothing to do with Baer or Carnera,or whoever you like to throw in there.....:nut



Why don't you use Mike Tyson now even though hes a complete opposite of Frazier in skills? :yep

 

History certainly does not show that. See Dempsey, Louis, Frazier, Tyson etc.

Vits does not fight well backing up, this is eviden on video. He was in fact back up many times against light hitting Chris Byrd. If Byrd could do that a much more powerful Frazier would be do it as well while ripping shots the the body to wear big Vits out. Know we all know you will counter with Frazier losing to Foreman. The difference here is Foreman never took a step back. Another difference is how both Foreman and Vitty throw punches. Foreman used a clubbing right hand, uppercuts and wide hooks. Vits throws straiter punches. Vits also paws with his left hand which would allow Frazier and his great head movement to get inside. No one with an ounce of sense thinks Vits is nearly as fast as Ali so you cant use that argument either. And if you want to go even further Vits has never proven he could go 12 or 15 hard rounds without tiring when he isnt having his way. He was exhausted against Byrd before he quit and he was exhausted against Lewis. Bothe fights he lost. Frazier showed time and again he would go to hell and back in a fight, Vits hasnt. So you see, this has much more to do with the fighters themselves than the size of each man. History has proven this over and over.

 

Except Dempesy at 6'2 was big for HIS era as was Louis who was about the same size and Frazier was not a dominant era champ,Ali was over him in the 60's and 70's.keep reaching you are really drifting now..as always when in doubt ,go the mike Tyson route



Had Ali been a power puncher ,the fight wouldn't have went more than 4 rounds...FACT!



At least you broke down a not so reasonable scenario,but a scenario,even using the exhausted card in the process along with "HE" doesn't fight well going backwards which is CLEARLY a lie, even though its another fabrication on your part its well done but not at all realistic.:deal

 

Dempsey was 6'1" and beat Willard, Fulton and othe behemoths. On the flipside he lost to little Willie Meehan, so again your own theories do not hold up.

To say Frazier wouldnt last 4 rounds if Ali had power is conjecture at best. The fact is he beat a prime Ali who many regard as the greatest heavyweight ever and size had nothing to do with it.

The next time you watch the Byrd-Vits fight will be the first for you if you think Vits wasnt being backed up by punches. As far as everything else I wrote, its clear you have no answers because you simply dont know how to breakdown styles. Is this a sure thing by me? No, how could it be since we can never see it to prove it. But it is all reasonable and logical, plus its backed by history. You see it as an impossibility. I see it as a great smaller fighter (like so many other times in the past) being able to overcome a good bigger fighter who has never proved he could take the heat.

By the way....you're welcome for the education.

 

Dempsey was 6'1" A glance at the heavyweights ranked during his era shows the following .
Wills 6'2" .Gibbons 6'.05".Weinert5'11".Rojas 6'1" . Renault6'1" . 6'3"Godfrey.Spalla 6'1".Gorman 6'.05".Persson6'1".Hansen 6'4".
Dekuh6'3".Munn6'4".Montgomery 6'2". Firpo 6'2.5".Fulton6'6.5".Morris 6'4".

If anything Dempsey was on the small size.
As usual you are wrong .

 

Dempseys average opponent was 5'10...Jack downey was 5'8 **** Gilbet 5'7 etc...etc..should I go down the line and list the height of all his 70 plus fights heights? :roll:

you say you don't lie but are doing it here...McLIAR? You even listed some guys he was taller then you idiot,hopefully its a mistype...


Of his ranked opponents ...so what there is but a slight difference ,not as much as a 8/9 inch one though with vitali and Frazier right? Along with a 45 pound advantage to add :nut