A top jab, a top chin, and a height advantage = tough to beat at HWY

If Lewis didn't have a decent chin that MUST mean Vitali has no power in his punches. Because Vitali hit him clean numerous times. Even Tua got in a couple of very good left hooks at the beginning of their fight.

 

Let's not forget Wills either, minus a DQ he didn't loose a fight for 8 years and im not sure you'd even consider his a top chin

 

Johnson also best weapon was the clinch,itsa always a double standard with these loons.

 

Lewis also took a fair amount of punishment against Ray Mercer, enough punishment to consider the fight could have gone either way. I don't buy into Lewis having anything but a solid chin, he just left it open at the absoloutley wrong time ... Twice and he only has himself to blame for that

 

Sorry to say this, but you may have it backwards. A lot more clinching went on closer to the foundation of the Queensbury rules

 

Plus he took plenty of big shots against Holyfield, I guess it's a case of "it's the punch you don't see that knocks you out." Lewis was definitely switched on for the likes of Tyson, Holyfield, Tua and Mercer.

 

Only if they ignored the rule.
Rule 2 prohibits "wrestling and hugging".

John L Sullivan himself said he preferred the Queensbury rules because "no clinching is allowed, no wrestling, and the superiority of the contestants is judged by the actions of their hands."

 

Exactly. My understanding of the McCall punch was that Lewis was in the process of throwing his punch at the same time, and never saw McCall's punch coming. Against Rahman, for whatever reason, he just decided to drop his hands, and was a sitting duck for that right.

 

No, against Rahman Lewis was tired, his concentration and focus dimmed because Rahman was making him work the whole three minutes. He backed into the ropes and relaxed at the wrong moment. He switched off.

 

Sorry but Lewis had a better than average chin but he was still chinny. I wouldn't bet anything on a guy who has been knocked out twice from single shots to the face. He made up for it with his fantastic boxing skills, his size and reach and it was hard to hit him in the face for the most part and he had a very good defence.

It can be argued that he faced a lot of punchers during his time but most of them on par were very average boxers. By the time Tyson got him, he was a grandpa and Tyson failed to knock out the likes of Williams and Mcbride as well despite getting a few shots in (i suspect a loss in power, technique or inability to maintain the power beyond the first round).

I dont buy into this theory that he got knocked out because of a loss in concentration. It's not like the likes of Mccall and Rahman sucker punched him. Mccall in classic terms counter punched him while Rahman hit him clean on the Jaw.

Look at Tyson, he came in unprepared for the Douglas fight, he didn't train hard for Holyfield 1 and he was at his highest weight, worst conditioning for the Lewis fight. He had cuts on his eyes, swollen eye and even couldn't see out of one eye in the Douglas fight but he still took Douglas best shots for almost ten rounds and he took the best version of Lewis's best shots for 8 whole rounds even though he was out of gas after the first round.

Point being Chin in most cases is natural, you either have it or you just don't. Against the question mark will always be there that it is possible to end a fight against him with one punch but not against the likes of Holyfield and Tyson as they have proven so in many wars.

Look at Bruno, he is a classic example of what a pathetic chin can cost you. He was dominating the Lewis fight until that lucky out of desperation Left Hook hit his face and the match ended right there.

 

You seriously believe Tysom didn't train for the Holyfield fight, I'll have some of what you're smoking.

 

For Holyfield 1 he only trained for like 10-12 days, he read too much into Holyfield's previous performance against some opponent and fell into the expectation he would easily blast him out of there.

He came in better shape for the rematch.

 

For all his problems Tyson always trained, if only to beat guys up in sparring.Mike was programmed from a kid and enjoyed the best training money could buy. When he knocked guys out he was in shape. When he lost he was in shape.

The problem was Tyson was always a different fighter when things did not go his way.

 

The reason why taller rangey fighters dominate the heavyweight division is due to the lack of quality fighters of other styles that if done well can counter the rangey boxer's style.

To counter the skilled boxer who can take a punch, you need speed, lots of it, explosive punching ability and good movement.

Too much to ask for a modern trainer, so they all stick with what everyone else is doing.