Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Frazier

Vitali frequently fought backing up and did well that way. Not sure what you're talking about.

 

His entire post is a big fail,like all the rest of his!

 

Vits was far out of his comfort zone when the fight was brought to him. What fights are you speaking of?

 

His career best performance against Sam Peter? The Sanders fight?

 

So Ali could knock out the

6' 3" 223lb Blue Lewis
6' 3" 220lb George Foreman
6' 3" 210lb Williams
6' 1" 218lb Liston

yet he couldn't even drop the, how do you describe him?

Oh yeah, thats right.

" The 5' 11" 205lb useless, easy to hit Frazier."

 

The following comes from a Wikipedia page dedicated to Vitali Klitchko. More than likely written by some Klitchko nut hugging ass wipe like you.

In 1992, he was defeated in the final of the European Kickboxing Championships +89 kg light contact division by Englishman Pelé Reid when he was knocked out by a spin kick to the jaw.

So much for an exhibition match.

You just clowned yourself yet again you inbred fool. There is no need for anyone else to clown you.nut:rofl

 

Just so I wouldnt be mistaken I just rewatched both those fights. The Peter fight Vits was hardly ever back up at all. He circled to his left the whole fight using his jab and hook against Sam, who himself was to slow to engage and seldom threw more than one or two punches at a time. Frazier is a whole different beast.

Against Sander Vits was the aggressor most of the fight while Sanders was looking to counter. By round 4 Sanders was spent. Vits did have some moments when backing up in this fight. But again, a fringe contender like Sanders is not in the same realm as a prime Frazier. He simply doesnt have the same motor nor will. To his credit, when he did back Vits up in the first he was controlling the round. Vits by no means ever looked comfortable there.

Frazier would come forward all night bobbing and weaving under Vits straight punches and hammering the body. Vits tires when he's pressured. The Byrd and Lewis fights are testament to this, and both were losses. There is no way to prove either would win, but I' still favor Frazier given their respective styles and Joe's ability to go hard for 15 rounds.

 

Was he small for his time? Dempsey was 6'1 with a 77" reach. If you were to come up with the ten best heavies while he was active, I think he'd be somewhere in the middle with the above measurements. You said small for the times. I say average.

 

Yes, it was a light contact event. Reid's kick was not a light contact at all. I have seen it. The odds are you have not. Vitali's kick boxing record is excellent. It is also the reason for many injuries as a pro boxer.

Vitali improved post Lewis. He was actually at his best between age 37-40. You could argue the 4 years he took off from the ring could have been his absolute prime. ( Age 33-36 )

 

That's quite a stretch. If you circle, chances are you're the guy backing up. And Sanders was the guy moving forward for most of the fight. I was there.

 

Moving to the side is most definitely not the same as backing up and any boxer worth his salt will tell you this. When you circle a fighter needs to reset himself to punch. When you back straight up all a fighter needs to do is keep coming forward.

Must have been cool being at that fight, but I still disagree and so did the announcers who were also there. Sanders was looking to counter most of the fight. When he did press forward he had very good success. Now I do give Vits more credit than I did previously for how he handled being backed up, but Sanders isnt Joe Frazier either, is he?

 

I don't see why Vitali would back up in straight lines exclusively against Frazier, rather than primarily circle. Btw, when Vitali does back straight up it's an awkward but effective defensive move because smaller guys can't reach his head.

Corrie was a big guy and drilled him going straight back a few times. This wouldn't be easy for Frazier. I don't see him winning.

 

I dont think his plan would be to primarily back up. As I said, that goes against every trainers rule in boxing. I do however think he would be forced to. When he is forced to he cannot dictate the fight. You say its an awkward defensive moves because smaller fighters cant reach his head. This would play right into Fraziers hands as he would be looking to go to the body and sap Vits strength and fatigue him. Vits is a tough guy, but lets face it, nearly every time he has been pushed he has looked exhausted. Im not asking you to change your opinion on who you think wins. As I pointed out already there is no way for any of us to essentially prove our points. I'd just like to hear from an objective poster who can agree size isnt the end all in this type of matchup.

 

Frazier would have to cover way too much ground to get at Vitali's body and he'd get octopussed anyway. He couldn't pull off a sustained body attack against Foreman. He bobbed and tried to jump in with the left hook. It would be the same dilemma against Vitali. The real danger in going straight back is getting clipped on the chin. A sustained body attack can't happen unless the opponent is stationary or fighting in close. Ali in the second fight with Frazier gave a rough blueprint minus Vitali's range and power.

I don't understand the Vitali gassing argument. He's done fine late in fights.