Why doesn't wach get criticised for being a PED cheat?

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  1. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think there was any way Sasha could beat Wlad either, but getting inside and throwing punches was the only thing he could do, and he had to put his head down to avoid the jab. It was Wlad who never bothered to move or throw an uppercut, he just grabbed every single time, just like he did with Ibragimov. I'm not saying Sasha had the right gameplan but Wlad chose the easiest way possible too.

    As for Wach, I don't think size advantage means anything when you don't have the jab. Is he gonna punish Sasha every time he tries to get inside or Is he quick enough to hold him before getting punched himself? I don't think so.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Honestly I'm not saying its a guarantee that Wach wins either, he probably will lose on points, maybe, but it would not surprise me in the least if he pulled off the win, this is a huge shot for Wach and he'll come prepared with the best game plan possible which very well might be one that's already been laid out for him by Wlad.:think A lot of guys train to the level of their opposition and Wach usually doesn't have to train or prepare very hard.
     
  3. _Scott_

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    Stiverne can't win a fight vs top-25 heavyweight unless he lands a big punch. Otherwise he is getting outboxed easily. Arreola and 55-year old Ray Austin were outboxing him until he caught them. Stiverne barely wins any rounds. He couldn't get to 17-17 journeyman Charles Davis and was very lucky with a draw against such a bum. Wilder did a good job by avoiding Stiverne's big shots, but any decent fighter can outbox Stiverne. I am sure Perez and Takam would win at least ten rounds against Stiverne, just by activity :D

    Perez is a solid top 10 heavyweight and one of the best skilled boxers in the game.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Ummmm Stiverne outboxed Arreola in their first fight.:deal Regardless everyone on this site who wasn't a Wilder fanboy picked to beat him, not me, I predicted Deontay would win and by using his boxing skill and not be over reliant on his power.

    Perez sucks face the facts. Name one really good fighter he's beaten?
     
  5. _Scott_

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    Abdusalamov. He was better than anyone Wilder faced.

    Arreola won the first two rounds in their first fight. Then Stiverne landed a big punch which broke Arreolas nose on four different places. Not hard to outbox a man in that case.
     
  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Cant agree on fighting bums. No one wants any part of Wach. He is big, strong, have power, reach, size and insane chin(not sure how hes chin is after Wlad destruction).
    Wach didnt duck anyone, its just most of the guy dont want to face him.
    Nothing wrong with him, he is not the fastest guy, but so far have only 1 lose against Wlad.
    He is dangerous and its a good test for a top guys. Yet only 2 of them decide to fight him.
    All the props for Povetkin that he took such dangerous fight before uni. with Byonce.
     
  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You answered your own quesion- he sucks so no one cares.

    I agree that he is a cheat and should not be allowed to compete aymore.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I agree to some degree. There was usless clinches, but yet Povetkin was charing, you cant really do much in this situation. Same with Jennings, who was trying to spear, and was jumping as well.
    Its up to the guy who is losing the fight to change the strategy if they see this is not working ....
    Klitschko was hit after the bell, was hit in the kidney area, rabbit punched, hit after break from referee, but i dont see him to complain about it. Thats just f**** excuses.
    He is real man, not referee told him, tell him to stop that and crying before and after the match. That is just f*** excuses and show lack of skills and strategy.
     
  9. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I picked Wilder by mid-round TKO over Stiverne, which he could've done if he fought more aggressively. How did you score Jennings-Perez? I had Jennings winning 114-113 and felt the point deduction was harsh.
     
  10. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Noone can outbox Wladimir Klitschko man. Trying to get inside and land big shots is the only thing a smaller fighter can do.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I think I had it 115-112 for Jennings IIRC but 114-113 was fine as well, any way you go about it, it wasn't a robbery.
     
  12. theanatolian

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    It wasn't, but might've very well been a draw. My point is, as I asked someone else in another thread, if Perez was shot after Abdusalamov fight and wasn't that good to begin with, what does that say about Jennings and Wlad's performance over him?
     
  13. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So-called granite chinned

    Charr
    Takam
    Perez

    Charr - was dropped by 41 y.o. Vitali with one arm punch
    was knocked OUT COLD for 5 minutes bu unheralded cruiser Mairis Briedis. What an iron chin, really :good

    Takam - was dropped by Gregory Toney, it's on video. Toney isn't excactly a George Foreman or Mike Tyson:deal

    Perez faced 1 (one) puncher in Abdulsalamov and outboxed him. Jennings hurt him in 11th by uppercut.

    Now, Wach took Wlads' shots for 12 straight rounds without going down or seriously hurt.

    And you say that being KO'd by cold by cruiser or dropped by Gregory Toney means same сhin as going 12 rounds as a punching bag against the hardest hitter in HW division :huh
     
  14. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    CST80,
    In Povetkinland, if you don't consider Manuel Charr (knocked out cold by cruiser), Carlos Takam (dropped by light-hitting Gregory Toney), and Mike Perez an iron-chinned TOP-10 opponents, you are a delusional hater, because they all have better chins than Oliver McCall and George Chuvalo :deal
     
  15. _Scott_

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    If you aren't convinced yet, I suggest you watch Povetkin fight Wach next month. He will destroy him by early KO, bank on it :deal:deal:deal