Lucas the quitter matthysse

It is like I mentioned in another thread that you commented on - it is the difference between a perceived risk and an actual one.

In the Garcia fight, Lucas' eye was a mess, but mentally, he may have thought that it was just the swelling that caused his loss of vision; a relatively common thing in a boxing fight and one that usually results in no long term damage. In the Postol fight his eye is fine, not to badly marked up, all of a sudden he gets butted and his vision goes. The mind set to deal with these two scenarios is completely different as the cause of blindness is different. The latter is a case for a lot more concern than the former.

You also have to factor in experience. After the Garcia fight Lucas now knows the real risk to his eye. If his eye goes again all of a sudden it can cause you to have doubts and quit. This is a common theme in many dangerous sports. Many motorsport participants (F1, NASCAR, TT, etc) say that they lost their fearlessness and risk taking ability to some extent after a major crash that injured them.

Whilst I can't see into Lucas' mind, I wouldn't be surprised if the past injury played a part in his quitting after it reared its ugly head again.

 

With all due respect, it seemed to me that the RISK of his eye being permanently injured was much much greater in that fight than this one. He can say whatever he wants but to anyone who isn't blind, it's obvious.

And if he really feels that the risk is much too great now (his eye), then shouldn't he give up fighting? Because it can happen in any fight from here on out, and if he's going to quit everytime that happens, then he would just be wasting his own time and of course, the time of all paying spectators (At home or in the arena).

Audley Harrison was never afraid to throw punches before he got knocked cold by Sprott....But then that knockout seemed to have changed him completely and he was a mentally defeated man everytime he stepped in there. He rarely threw a punch. He was just ripping off the boxing public at that point. Anyways, this is neither here nor there.

I just don't believe the story, because there are too many holes to it. You can believe it all you want to and that's your prerogative.

But seeing 1 fight where he fights on bravely with an extremely messed up eye and then another where he just quits on us for no reason and then blaming it on the eye (Which seemed fine), just spells bull****.

 

Again, the scenarios are different and you are basing everything on looks. Does the fighter who looks the most bruised and bloodied always lose? No. It is ok to assume that when one thing happens a certain other thing should logically follow it as this has occurred before, but reality tells us that this is not always the case.

Like I said before, in the Postol fight Lucas' eye is fine then he gets butted, he feels a pop in the eye then it loses all vision. This is very worrying. Losing sight because of swelling is easier to deal with in a fight because you assume it is swelling of the tissue around your eye causing it to shut that is the problem. You don't usually assume that it is a problem with the eye itself. Going blind when your eye isn't swollen shut usually suggest that the problem is with the eye itself. This is much more dangerous and worrying.

As for Harrison not being afraid to throw punchers before he was KO'ed by Sprott - you obviously didn't watch the first Danny Williams fight. I highly suggest you don't bother.

 

Watched it, but it wasn't as blatant until after.

You're going by what HE'S SAYING, it's the same thing really. I'm going right now by what most people think if they were confronted with picking one or the other.

If a doctor saw both eyes, the first impression he would have is that situation A is far far far worse than B.

Way too many holes in his story to believe it entirely.

That's why I'm going by what I saw and what i deduced. If there are medical statements/scans that disprove my theory, then I'll admit to being wrong. Until then..

 

I don't knock him....Lucas knew he wasn't going to win that fight. He didn't have the right game plan and took the L. Dud he quit? I won't say that because he is a fighter who steps in the ring for a living. I've seen people quit on their stools which is worse than taking your lumps and getting counted out. I feel for Lucas.....it was his 2nd legit loss in my opinion. Styles make fights and Lucas didn't have an answer for Postol's length...he couldn't mount anything substantial on the inside and was unsuccessful on the outside. Hard for a man to acknowledge defeat like that

 

Lucas has a glass eye!

 

But he'd knock out Broner Brutally Doe, Glass eye and all, right?:think

 

I had not idea so many opthalmologists posted on this sight. those so skilled that they can tell by watching a fight on television what the degree of injury is to a fighter's eye. amazing. keyboard warriors never fail to amaze me.

 

:deal

 

Do you box professionally? I don't judge him that he quit. He knew his condition best and if he wants to save his health I'm cool with it. But he quit it is that simple.

 

Wow ...!
Coming from the Flamer Boy who criticizes Cotto for taking a knee against plaster loaded bum Margarita!!!

 

IMO

Matthysse had been unable to score effectively for several rounds. It's a fight-the reasons do not really matter.

He was being out-boxed and out-scored at a high level.

I believe he quit because there was no way to win, and- if his eye was the reason, then there was no way for him to protect that.

I also believe that he was being wearing down. Getting hit a lot by anyone does that. Missing with big looping shots does that.

No disrespect to Matthysse. He simply could not, at this point, handle the man that was in front of him.

We'll see what Postol does going forward.

We'll see if Matthysse goes forward at all.

 

Everyone has their limits. Even the warriors with the most heart have quit -- Duran quit, Chavez quit, De La hoya quit. Its not a big deal, if the warrior feels like he gave everything and realizes he's at major risk for permanent damage, there's no shame in packing it in for the night or career for that case if they're already well into mediocrity.

 

What about postol frustrated about being rabbit punched every 3 seconds ?

 

lol at people making excuses for Matthysse but ragging on Cotto for quitting against Margarito. I don't have a problem with any boxer quitting when he feels like he has had enough but the double standards that some people have are unbelievable.