Karl Mildenberg

Completely sparked out in the 1st round by the legendary **** Richardson.

 

Im not sure where I see amazing..the commentators described him as slow,not ahard puncher who cut easily. He gave ali trouble because he was a southpaw,had he been better moving and better puncher he mwould have faired better in the ali, fight.Ali was glad to have such a reach over him I belive that made the fight easier .

 

Karl beat Billy Daniels by KO, something Big Cat Williams could not achieve in 20 rounds.

Mildenburger was among the youngest and freshest challengers Ali faced and it kind of showed. Chuvalo and mildenburger were the two guys who were competitive during Ali's reign, it was a whole lot easier looking great against Brian London and Cleveland Williams. Cooper, folley, Patterson and Liston were from another era. No longer on the way up.

I think Mildenburger was a solid contender with some good wins. Not a world beater but almost elite for a time. He drew with Foley and beat machen who were the official gate keepers of the day.

 

He was better than hes remembered. Not great but pretty good.

 

One round loss can happen to anyone. Max Schmelling, Jack Dempsey, Floyd Patterson, Mike Weaver, Walcott, John Ruiz, etc. You still have to credit the guy who performed on the night but it does not always mean it's the end of a career or that it defines anything. A guy can get caught. It's boxing after all.

 

D!ck Richardson wasn't a bad fighter.
A dirty fighter. And a bit of a hooligan. But a reasonable fighter.

 

Chuvalo competitive? The cards were 73-65.74-63.74 -62.atsch
The Folley draw was a robbery ,independent sources gave it to Folley7-2-1 There were two referees in the Machen fight the first one fell over and had to leave the ring,he was extremely partial to Mildenberger and would not let Machen fight inside. Machen had never fought a southpaw and was a bit non- plussed by the German,plus he had not won any of his last 3 fights.He would have a further7 and win 3, he was in decline.

Get a draw in Germany chances are your really deserved the win. Mildenberger was never an elite fighter or even near one, he struggled with journeyman Dave Bailey who dropped him twice.

Bailey was stopped by Machen around that time and had been kod by Williams. So you continually repeating Mildenberger stopped Billy Danield when Williams did not is irrelevant.A beating B does not mean he beats C, as anyone knows.
Mildenberger had 62 fights ,60 of them on home turf, he fought outside Germany twice once when he beat the crude Billy Wlaker and once when Henry Cooper jabbed him silly before he fouled out at Wembley in a fight I was present at.

 

The guy had a good career though. Chuvalo made Ali work in all those rounds he lost. Mildenburger gave Ali a difficult ish time. And the rest of Ali's 1960s challengers were a bit more shopworn by comparison. London? Williams? So it's fair to say mildenburger like Jones was one of the better "current" 1960s guys of that era that Ali fought. Especially with So many of the late 1950s guys still hanging around who had earlier found their level but were still going through the motions.

Karl was No world beater but decent. Leotis Martin and Oscar Bonavena proberbly finished him off. Until then he was quite decent, contender wise. That's all.

 

A good case for him being called Germany's second best heavyweight.

 

Think Neussel was better?

 

That's tough. They were both decent. Walter is underrated too -and he beat Americans in America and Brits in Britain.

 

Mildenberger no good but a lesser version from this era - Sultan Imbragavich gets praised:roll:

 

Yeah, i think Sultan beats him.

 

This is simply false. I dont know what independant sources could give that fight to the lackadaisical Folley in that fight. This is a rundown I wrote for someone else who made this same claim a while back:


How can anyone claim Folley outclassed Mildenberger or was robbed when all he did was lay back and let Mildenberger dictate the pace of the fight, throw a million more punches, land more punches, and only look to throw the occasional right hand counter. Mildenberger was in great shape and landed left hand leads all night long against Folley. Furthermore the referee warned both guys for the head, not just Folley and it was because you had a left handed fighter against an orthodox fighter which often produces head clashes. In the 8th Nispel was totally justified in stopping the fight because Folley had rushed in, head bent down, and when it was firmly under Mildenbergers chin he popped up and butted him. He knew it was justified because he apologized to both the ref and Mildenberger. The ref didnt have to save Mildenberger in that round because even though Folley landed a couple of nice right hands straight down the pipe Mildenberger walked right through them and fired back snapping Folleys head back with an uppercut that made Folley give ground. It wasnt the first or last time he snapped Folley's head back even after he noticeably tired. As Mildenberger tired in the last round or two Folley started moving forward a little bit more but Mildenberger simply turned boxer and continued to land more whereas Folley continued to miss everything but the occasional punch here and there. After the ringside doctor examined Mildenbergers cuts and decided to let the fight go on (which I believe was actually in the 9th not the 8th) Folley got more aggressive and tried to force a stoppage but he was wild and ineffective. Mildenberger continued to land the better shots, like an uppercut to the ribs, and a combination that once again forced Folley backwards and sent him into a shell. In the tenth Folley (who should be remembered as one of the least passionate, most timid contenders ever) instead of pressing to stop the fight just stood ring center waited doing nothing while Mildenberger worked around him in circles scoring points. When Folley did work in close it was always Mildenberger who threw more, landed more, and landed the harder punches. He just fought harder. Period. How a guy goes into a mans hometown and fights such a lazy ass fight and then pretends he was robbed is a mystery to me. As the tenth round started to wind down Folley woke up and started to press forward into Mildenberger and he did land some punches but Mildenberger simply chewed him up while moving backward throwing and landed 2 to 1, landing the harder punches, and once again started the blood pouring from Folley's nose which clearly bothered him. The ref seperated them to warn Folley again and Folley waived Mildenberger in only to be hit with three uppercuts in a row and about 10 solid bodyshots with almost nothing in return. I dont know how they called it a draw much less the idea that Folley deserved it and for the record the crowd was stunned because it didnt go to Mildenberger not because they thought the draw robbed Folley. Folley was being whistled at (the European equivalent of being booed) for his use of the head along the ropes in the final round.