Size Importance

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    it is too simple and wrong to assume there is a linear advantage between size and ability - just the plain fact that the human heart actually loses ability with size gain above normal should be enough to tell anyone that.

    the human body just isn't that simple.
     
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  2. LondonRingRules

    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    After reading your descriptions I'd say I'm somewhere between 1 and 2, leaning towards 1 maybe. Anyone voting number 4 needs to kindly remove themselves from the forum immediately.
     
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  3. HerolGee

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    mm but the poll doesn't address proportions - the differences between classes isn't the same as you get higher. The poll is too simple to deal with the topic its trying to address.
     
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  4. andrewa1

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    The worst poster on the forum joins. Ironically, he gives a rare statement that mixes a modicum of insight in with his general irrational drivel. Responses above. In general, there is a degree of diminishing return the bigger you get, but the return is still there fundamentally. That is why we've continued to see larger (taller and especially heavier) athletes be at the highest levels in both HW boxing and other sports requiring similar athletic traits.
     
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  5. andrewa1

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    I'd agree, although I doubt many would actually pick a fighter to win based on size alone. Good post overall.
     
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  6. andrewa1

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    Good post:good
     
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  7. HerolGee

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    you speak as if the proportional advantage in cardio simply goes down with increased heart size.

    but you are wrong<I am sorry Andrew and this is clinical proven fact world wide with every body. excess size of the heart leads to a smaller stroke volume, so the effect is not a loss in proportional advantage in cardio at all, its a direct disadvantage.

    I cant force you to understand scientific fact, but it wont change however you personally feel about it.
     
    HerolGee, Oct 8, 2015
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  8. Uppercut_Artist

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    You mean filthy communist mobsters? :smoke
     
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  9. andrewa1

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    I never said it was a proportionate loss in cardio. I said, or at least implied, that the negative burdens of greater size at that level, such as those you laid out fairly well, while meaningful in mitigating the proportionate impact of size advantage at the higher levels, does not eliminate the size advantage. The advantages in height, power, durability more than make up for the disadvantages, at least when you get to the highest levels. When their were fewer HW's to choose from, those factors helped ensure the smaller size of the best HW's because of the paucity of high level SHW's who have the right combination of abilities to maximize the effectiveness of their size.

    Good job in being less disrespectful and more thoughtful than normal, though. This has actually been a good conversation. Why do I expect once I post this I'll find you've have made an insolent, unintelligible post as a follow up? Prove me wrong HG!
     
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  10. andrewa1

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    Yep, no new post but you edited your old one to be more ignorant and spiteful, so same difference.
     
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  11. andrewa1

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    Good point, although I'd argue Sanders deserves to be mentioned among the best wins, and he was a true SHW. And I'd agree it can be a double-edged sword, but that the benefits fo increased height and weight are still substantial at any point. The offsetting negative features would continue to be sought to be negated and the benefits maximized through training and finding the largest fighters with the right athletic features to negate the negative elements that go along with greater size.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Weight classes become less important the heavier you go. A 240lb guy vs a 220lb guy does in no way enjoy the same advantage as a 160lb er vs a 140lb opponent.
     
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  13. RememberingC.S.

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    EXTREMELY important even in the same weight class. A taller, reachier fighter can get away with jabbing and walking away from a shorter boxer, it happens all the time.
     
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  14. theword

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    going by boxrec -- Wlad hasn't fought at or below 230 since his loss to Purrity in 1998.

    Basically after 2000 he was never below 240. the Byrd fight is the exception where he came in a little under (maybe he was training for speed?).

    All that aside it's not like he always enjoys a massive weight advantage except in some cases - Mormeck / Haye / Chambers / Jennings / etc. And it makes sense, he's gotten older, he's put on weight. But he doesn't fight around 230 anymore.
     
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  15. Pugilist_Spec

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    Sanders ate himself to SHW. He used to come in at 210-220 early in his career and was fit.

    I think Povetkin is a much better example.
     
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