Karl Mildenberg

Yeah, and Martin Murray and Kasim Ouma went the same rounds with GGG, Mehdi Bouda who was obliterated by Arthur Abraham and Kessler, went the distance with him and knocked him around pretty good, does that mean Golovkin can't fight? Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster KO'd Klitschko, does that mean Wlad can't fight?

Sometimes, guys fight the fight of their lives...and still lose, Mildenberger was stopped 3 times in 62 fights. Do a little research.

(and by the way, Ali was 204 in that fight, which is about what he fought at in the 60s', Mildenberger was 195.

 

Does that mean it was pro Folley?

 

MIldenberger was knocked down in the 5,8th, and 10th rounds.The judges were German and American, the referee was English, and you are the forum's resident joke.

 

Ali tended to fight at the level of his opponent especially in his second career, he won that's what counts.

 

Given their description of the fight I would say yes. It played out nothing like what they described. They were far too generous in their assessment of Folley and the picture they painted of a biased ref simply wasnt the case. Mildenberger threw more, landed more, pressed more, fought harder and with more urgency, and wasnt guilty of the fouls that Folley was. Even when Mildenberger fought defensively he was still more successful than Folley was and landed more punches. Id love to know how exactly Stars and Stripes found criteria to give enough rounds to Folley to award him the victory.

 

I'll see if I can find the relevant Ring magazine report.

 

Some questions.

1 ) Is this on film?

2 ) What were the scoring rules?

3 ) Are there any punch stats?

 

Ali had some trouble with good boxers, good jabbers and smaller fights. He just did.

See Doug Jones, or Jimmy Young. In fact Patterson did rather well vs Ali and he wasn't 100% due to back issues.

Mildenberg's accuracy and style landed penetrated Ali's vastly over rated defense, and he ( Ali ) had to shift to being the attacker.

As I mentioned before this was Ali in his prime in 1966.

Later before Ali had beaten Frazier or Foreman, Kenny Norton's jab gave Ali major issues. Except Norton wasn't small. He could punch. and he badly beat Ali in the first match. Had the match been 15 rounds, a TKO loss of Ali is not out of the question.

 

Viewing the fight ,which I bought at the time, and looking at the score cards it was not a bad beating at all.

Referee: Frank Rustich 4-7
Judge: Hal Rickards 4-5
Judge: Fred Hayes 6-5

• Unofficial AP scorecard: 7-4 Norton
• Unofficial UPI scorecard: 6-4 Ali

 

Norton was hurting Ali. Ali was rubbing his broken jaw and Ferdie Pacheco had a look of concern. The ending was all Norton. Norton had plenty left after the 12 round. Ali was glad it was over. If the fight was 15, I think Norton pours it on and wins even more dramatically than he did.

The UPI score card is ****.

 

The scoring was obviously lopsided because of the knock downs,it still would mean mildenberger didn't win at least 4/5 rounds would it? the funny thing is ali didn't land ANYTHING of significance in the first 4 rounds but Mildenberger did ,was backed up the entire fight practically and hit with numerous straight lefts and body shots,yet he wins every round on the scorecards? Seems to me this is nothing but another Ali phantom scoring,which even the announcers said ali was starting to look concerened arbout round 8 I believe.This was said because Cosell wasn't commenting on it,not the version I saw anyway...so yea have beleiveing it was a LOPSIDED fight with him winning EVERY rounds,but then again you have the fight right? :roll:

 

Ali was waiting to lose,and Fraizer handed it to him...I re watched the second fight and he didn't win that one either...Norton beat him also twice.....I could go and on on ali...but.....its not important to me.Norton wasn't a big puncher and in retrospect frazier was not a one punch power guy either. Hes lucky he fought a guy with such terrible accuracy in foreman who landed only 4 solid shots to Alis head "glancing blows really"...out of the 25 head shots he thru in the first round and so on.....


The one thing I don't agree on his prime I would take 71/75 Ali over the 60's! For numerous reasons...

 

I agree with that. My point was Norton beat a prime Ali, before Ali beat Frazier or Foreman.

 

You are absolutely full of it. You said the judges were crooked ,one was German, the other was Nat Fleischer ,and the ref was Teddy Waltham ,then the top English referee who was also the Secretary of the BBBOC Mildenberger told the referee he had taken enough,and that's from his own lips. Max Schmeling who was ringside told the Ring magazine reporter," Karl is taking a bad beating". Mickey Duff who promoted the fight with Jarvis Astaire and Joachim Gottert said," Contrary to what has been written from time to time I do not believe Ali had any trouble with Mildenberger's southpaw style".Duff recounted how referee Waltham admonished Ali for hitting with an open glove saying,"close your glove","Ali nodded and let fly with a terrific right hand that sent Mildenberger tumbling onto the seat of his trunks.Ali looked at Waltham and said mockingly,"like that?"

 

No bad beating in the 1st Norton fight. END OF.