Does Sugar Ray Leonard have the best big name resume of wins in the past 35 years?

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  1. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Keep quacking you perverted filth. Had any more thoughts about children and adults lately?

    Remind us again, what colour is your worthless skin, as if anyone is remotely interested?

    Are you, green, blue, yellow, red, purple, white, black, sky blue pink with scarlet spots?

    It would make no difference duck egg, because you are subhuman, perverted filth.

    One day your moronic mind might become capable of comprehending this reality.

    Until then keep quacking.:hi:
     
  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    So you think you get to pick and choose the years.

    So why don't we get to go back 70 "anos"?

    That way, IF he is lucky, Leonard gets to carry the REAL Sugar Ray's spit bucket.

    Now here is a question worth asking.

    If the great SRR had met both Leonard and Duran in the same place, at the same time, whose hand do you think he would have shaken first?

    I know who I'd put my money on.:yep:yep
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well far be it from me, a Pac fan, to stand up for Floyd.

    But his resume is better than Ray's, IMO.


    If you stack up both their wins, Leonard's wins over Duran and Hearns are better than anything on Floyd's resume.

    But Leonard's resume, while having very good names, does not have very many.

    I'd rank his most most notable wins in chronological order as

    Benitez
    Duran
    Hearns
    Hagler



    All very good to great wins, but after that the quality fall off sharply.

    And resume considers not only WHO a man fights but the RESULT.


    SRL lost to Duran, and admitted he lost to Hearns.

    He also lost his 39th fight to Terry Norris at a year younger than Floyd was when he won his 45th fight against Canelo.

    Floyd's notable wins in chronological order:

    Genaro Hernandez
    Diego Corrales
    JL Castillo
    Oscar Delahoya
    Ricky Hatton
    Miguel Cotto
    Canelo Alvarez
    Manny Pacquaio



    with 'lesser' wins over:


    Angel Manfreddy
    Zab Judah
    JMM Marquez
    Victor Ortiz
    Marcos Maidana


    The greater breadth of names and the 49-0, IMO makes Floyd's resume better overall.

    H2H, best for best at 147 or 154, I'd pick Leonard to win, very probably to stop Floyd.
     
  4. tinman

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    Floyd's only notable wins over prime fighters are Corrales and Castillo.

    He's never even faced a prime ATG.

    Leonard did it over and over again.
     
  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    By my reckoning, Leonard faced Four ATGs, beat two of them and split the series with the other two.


    Mayweather faced two, and beat them both.



    For my money, Floyd's resume is better, all things balanced and considered.



    A small case could even be made for Pac's resume being better than Leonards.

    It's a lot wider, if not as deep. He has some losses that would have to be considered.

    But...

    Berera
    Barerra
    Morales
    Morales
    Marquez
    Marquez
    Oscar
    Ricky
    Miguel
    Marg
    Timmy


    and given the range of weight classes, an argument could be mustered. :yep
     
  6. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

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    "Does Sugar Ray Leonard have the best big name resume of wins in the past 35 years?"

    Yes, absolutely.
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly. Leonard beat prime versions of Benitez, Hearns, Duran and Hagler wasn't that far past it either.

    His resume easily is more top heavy than Floyd's who's biggest names were well past their primes and bloated up in weight.
     
  8. thanosone

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    Hagler won. Hagler was shot to ****. Duran second fight was a fix. Boring.
     
  9. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    you know in your heart it was you that kept bringing up my skin colour and in your heart your aware your now claiming nobody cares about my skin colour when in truth it was you that cared and kept commenting in the first place.

    nice smoke screen to get out of how you kept talking about my skin colour you racist coward.

    That's the deceitful trickery which others read for themselves, not just me foxy :good

    I will keep quacking and you will keep running Foxy, its what your good at :deal
     
  10. itsa

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    Floyd fought pac at his prime. Look at pacs p4p rank
     
  11. wpinkard

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    We can't change records abs results off of what a person thinks. Fact is peak Ray was 4 -1 vs these greats .
    Hagler was only 32 had not lost in 10 years and ko'd almost all of recent opponents including then undefeated no artist Mugabi
    Hearns peak at the time was 32-0 30 ko's- continued to move up additional world titles
    Duran/ 72-1 while not a natural welter hat 9 prior fights over 2-3 years at welter including beating a very good Carlos palomino. Duran went on to win titles at jr middle and higher over younger peak champions like Moore and Barkley. Contrary to common folk lore, the myth that many like to run with that their rematch was forced to soon is not backed by fact. All you have to do is research. From 72 on Duran NEVER had a 5 month gap in between fights. So to suggest this rematch ( June - November) was too soon for him is just flawed. Maybe he did party, but part of boxing is the decisions you do to prepare and how you take care of your body. Making weight is part of the equation.
    Benitez - 38-0-1 two time champ at the time went onto win titles at junior middle.

    All four were peak or very very very close to it. No catch weights. All continued after the Leonard fight to dominate the sport except for a 32 year old Hagler. Ray came out if retirement with only 1 fight in 5 years moved up 13 pounds, beat Hagler fair and square. No he did not dominate him, not hurt him, and yes had Hagler forced the issue from round 1 on, I believe he would have won maybe stopped Leonard, but he didn't. That is a mistake he will live with forever.

    1st hearns fight people forget- the Nevada boxing commission apologized to Dundee after the fight, rounds 6-7 and 13 were not scored appropriately. Had they been scored correctly and Ray gotten a two point 14 also this fight was up for grabs.