Jack Dempsey and The Color Line...

Very obvious Dempsey feared black fighters, they reminded him too much of me when I would crawl on his ceiling at night when he was a boy and scream Babadooooooo
Oooooooooooookkk

 

The important difference between Wills and Greb, is that Greb was moving between weight classes, and loosing occasionally due to his hectic schedule. That made him something of an intermittent challenger. He certainly wanted a shot at Dempsey’s title, and did what he logically had to do to get it, but that doesn’t mean that he was always a more logical challenger than Gibbons, Firpo, Carpintier, or even Brennan.

 

Lester Johnson was the last African-American fighter Dempsey would face during his career. The fight was a draw in 1916.

Dempsey really didn't want to fight Wills, and could not even meet an old Joe Jeannette in the ring as a substitution opponent.

The other fight Dempsey declined on was a third match with Tunney.

But don't tell that to the poster McVey.

 

Actually, when you look at Brennan's record (without the 100 years later spin and even without certain internet posters able to set you straight), Brennan had actually only lost one out of 4 bouts with Harry Greb. I agree with Janitor about not fully understanding the reasons for Brennan's ranking but the press, public and even boxing insiders seemed reasonably happy with the choice.

Gibbons, who is today considered 2-2 with Harry Greb (by Klompton and most if not everyone else), did lose to greb 9 fights ago, by decision. But he followed this by winning 7 out of 9 fights by knockout. Greb, meanwhile, had 16 fights with 8 wins, 4 knockouts and 1 Loss. I am not really sure how you sell yourself as a World heavyweight championship contender if you have just lost your American Light Heavyweight Championship and your only reply was a KO win over Len Rowlands.

The European Champion, The White heavyweight champion and the World Light heavyweight champion. This alone puts the fight on par or better than Wlad's Povetkin or Chagaev defence. It is in fact a unification bout (and dont forget his massive popularity) which is important. This defence cant be criticised too much at all on this alone. In the two years leading up to the fight, Carpentier would have 6 fights, winning all 6 by knockout with 4 coming in the first two rounds. That is a good streak that Harry simply couldnt match. in fact, just before the title defence, Harry fought a draw with Jeff Smith.

Firpo had fought 8 times in the past year with 8 wins, 7 by knockout. 5 of those 8 wins were in the first 4 rounds. The last of those wins was a 2 round stoppage of Charley Weinart. Greb, meanwhile, had followed his Tunney loss with a 15 round middleweight championship win. Do you really expect him to drop this fight (arguably his biggest ever) to face the heavyweight champion of the World. Incidentally, for what it is worth, Greb would follow this up a month or two later with a loss to Loughran. I would say that even with hindsight, the choice of Firpo over Greb was a good choice from both Dempsey and Grebs perspective. In fact, i think it was the only choice.

 

It is just my way of insulting an irrelevant piece of sh it who thinks it is smart with it's so called play on words " genital " reversed is latin eg, so I consider it to be a duck egg. Just a smug kunt.

There is nothing more to it Mac.

 

Never mind quacking for the sake of hearing your own noise, name and shame these multitudes that you and Burt are convinced set out to besmirch Jack Dempsey's standing in the world of boxing, by labelling him a RACIST, and / or a COWARD.

So far you have dug out Seamus.

He might well feel the need to refute these moronic accusations, who knows? I think in Murica it is known as " sh it or get off the pot."

You see your problem duck egg, you mouth off, but when push comes to shove, you can't actually back up what you say, can you? If indeed Seamus did call Dempsey a racist and a coward ( which I doubt ) he would still only be one guy wouldn't he? Hardly a conspiracy of Dempsey haters is it?

 

there's lots of guys that don't like Dempsey or don't rank him highly for various reasons.

that's what Burt was talking about. If you are not one of these people then don't worry about it Foxy. Burt never attacked anyone, he simply defended Dempsey which is no crime. You replied to Burt as if he was talking to you and he had offended you specifically. He wasn't.

Burt wasn't attacking anyone, he was defending Dempsey. You come in and attack him for defending Dempsey. Don't try to create chaos to cover your tracks Foxy. You are a sneaky trickster and more than me are aware of this.

So where do you rate Dempsey among your all time great heavyweights Foxy?

 

well I don't know that you did Seamus,,,,

mcvey makes a post on page 3 (pretty sure page 3) whereby he claims


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I like this column from July, 1925 by W.O. McGeehan...

"The news has penetrated to this section of the beautiful Cumberlands that Jack Demsey is prepared to fight. Just as Mr. Buckshot Morgan was about to dispatch Loping Charley to Robinson's drug store with the news, he learned that Dempsey would not battle Wills until a year from the coming Labor day.
"Guess the news will keep," said Buckshot. "If that is the case it is hardly worth sending Loping Charley to the store after he has had a hard day. It appears to me that Mr. Dempsey is mighty slow to get real quarrelsome these days."
This sounds rather unreasonable on the part of Buckshot Morgan or he would not have been so free with the implied criticism. You must remember that it took the US over a year to train enough divisions to make a creditable showing in the world war. Mr Dempsey knows something about preparedness. he is not going to rush into a fight with the Senegambian with the rashness of a nation entering a war. There is too much involved, as any of Mr. Dempsey's friends can testify. (my input: this is last statement is ****ing hilarious)

Sometime ago before Mr. Dudley Field Malone socked Mr. William Jennings Bryan on the jaw and found that is was of glass, it seems to me that the boxing commission was insisting that Harry Wills, the Senegambian stevedore, was the one and only logical candidate and that Dempsey must meet him or be declared null and void.

Now I like young Mr. Gene Tunney better than any young man actively associated with the cauliflower industry, but I cannot join in the ballyhoo of a Dempsey Tunney bout until the status of the Senegambian stevedore is settled. If they intend to draw the invisible color line and the Senegambian what the boys would call "the work" or "the run around" it will be my painful duty to point out the fact that the three dukes- Farley, Muldoon and Brower- talk through their hats frequently and fearsomely."

Don't forget he was a wh*remaster/ white slaver who specialised in raping virgins,well according to you anyway.


Is mcvey mistaken or is he just talking smack?

Not trying to flame you, no offense seamus, I was only curious and trying to get all sides of what people think of Dempsey and I usually trust mcveys opinion at least to some degree so that comment seemed out of place??

 

To the best of my knowledge Seamus has never said Dempsey was a racist, he has stated he was employed to break in virgins in brothels and that is what I posted.