Sonny Liston vs. Vitali Klitschko

This is absolute nonsense, a team of doctors attested to the validity of Liston's shoulder injury. Liston was stopped by Martin when he was way over the hill. Your fan boy bullsh*t is ridiculous.

 

But liston wasn't over the hill in 64/65 when he fought Ali? :roll:


So ten years prior to that fight with Ali,liston in 1954 was over the hill correct? atsch

 

Yea maybe because Vitali had a injured shoulder? Lewis was not a master boxer either just GOOD based off how many fights?huh?

 

Ffs you moron. Liston didn't fight Leotis Martin until December 1969. ( which is what McVey said, he lost on POINTS to Marty Marshall ) Try to keep up.:roll:atsch

 

Guys like Lewis and Chisora were able to find Vitalis chin. Liston had equal to or greater reach, so I cant see why he wouldn't be able to find Vitalis chin on a regular basis.

And id argue a prime Liston was better than anyone Vitali ever fought.

Would Vitali be the best guy Listons ever fought? Id say no.

 

martin was in 69, you were writing pure shyte termite.

 

You are without doubt the stupidest poster on this forum ,even thicker than Mendoza and Rhas Al Ghul.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that Liston was over the hill in1954? No one has said or implied that.
Liston did not turn pro until September 1953.

In !954 Liston lost a split decision to Marty Marshall when Liston's jaw was broke. Far from being a black mark against him ,I think it shows commendable courage to continue with that injury.
At least as much as he showed when Williams broke his nose

If you had actually boxed,instead of just fantasized about it , you would know this to be the case .

 

The moron has even once said that Liston was 10 years past his prime when he lost the first Ali fight.
So on that occasion his prime was 1954.

 

not even sure why I sometimes look at this post anymore, they have lost their amusement value now.

 

Liston had already floored and was in the lead vs Martin. He was boxing and looked better than some of his previous matches post-Ali.

Sonny took a right hand and crashed to the canvas. He was out cold for 60 seconds. Martin for his part was a decent puncher, and as mentioned Liston took few chin checkers on film to say his chin was great. So what makes you think Sonny could take many right hands from Vitali? The film says he would not!

As posted a book where Liston's cornerman was posted said the shoulder excuse was BS. You act so sure when something you read suits you, but reject information when it does not.

 

If Liston is punching up, it shortens his reach. I agree!

NOW If Liston is trying a head shot, Vitali's height is a huge factor meaning Liston has far less range than he's used to. Are you disagreeing with that point?

I think we are close to being on the same page. Let me know.

 

how does punching up shorten the reach?

 

Are you claiming liston was prime for Ali? He was well past it wasn't he? And yes fighting ali in 64 would put him about the ten year mark from 54 wouldn't it?Making his prime ending around 1962 or so as he also accumulated injuries in knees and shoulder which clearly slowed him down more,wouldnt it? Scenile cecil...when will you LEARN? :nut

 

Liston lost to Marty Marshal and was out cold for over 60 seconds vs Leotis Martin. What happens when Vitali lands? How good was Sonny's punch resistance......