Ken Norton vs Big Cat Williams

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by choklab, Oct 16, 2015.

  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,646
    Can Ken take the power?

    Can the "big Cat" cope with the class?
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,519
    Likes Received:
    27,070
    No.

    Williams gets his significant win!
     
  3. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    4,062
    Likes Received:
    768
    big cat could crack. norton wiskers didnt work too well vs punchers..

    big cat ko1 chinny wiskers.

    the loser gets turned into cat food.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,646
    How many punchers did Williams stand up to?

    I think both are chinny. If it's a case of who lands first, the difference is class.
     
  5. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    1,618
    Likes Received:
    551
    Williams does what ****ey, Shavers, and Foreman did. Lights out for Ken.
     
  6. clinikill

    clinikill Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2010
    Messages:
    728
    Likes Received:
    770
    Williams wins via KO. Williams had wicked power that Norton probably couldn't handle.

    I also predict very little public interest in this match and a low attendance figure.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,646
    Well, nowt stranger than folk!

    I honestly thought most observers of form would realise Williams has absolutely no pedigree punching out elite fighters and that the class of Norton would tell. I am happy to be in the minority here.

    Both guys got bombed out against the best elite punchers but Norton did overcome a puncher in Quarry as well as beating Ali, Young, Middleton, kirkman, Clark, Cobb, LeDoux, Zannon and Stander.
     
    Devon likes this.
  8. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2013
    Messages:
    12,468
    Likes Received:
    13,002
    If Williams came out bombing like he did with Liston then he stops Norton.

    If not Norton stops him, they were about the same size and KN could bang also,
     
  9. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    4,018
    Likes Received:
    415
    LeDoux and a shot Norton drew in Ken's last bout with Scott dropping him twice in the last round and missing the tko win when the ref stopped the bout early, but again it was Ken's last bout.
     
  10. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    4,018
    Likes Received:
    415
    Big cat bangs on and stops a hurt Norton fairly early in this intersting match up.
     
  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2006
    Messages:
    6,462
    Likes Received:
    7,198
    Norton beats Williams comfortably I'd think.

    Kenny was much more proven at a World level, had better wins, a better resume and was a flat out better fighter.

    Williams has a punchers chance sure. But his mythical power simply didn't exist against the higher echelon of opponents he faced and in fact there is more than a few ordinary fighters who took him the full route even before he was shot and lost a kidney.

    Norton was good enough to give ATG's like Ali and Holmes fits and beat solid guys like Quarry, Stander, Clark, Bobick and Young. He was crushed by Foreman but Williams is no Foreman not even remotely and all his other KO defeats bookended his career when he was either green or totally washed up. For the vast bulk of his career he was a solid, tough elite fighter something Williams never really was.

    Norton gets sold very short in these h2h match ups these days.
     
    Devon likes this.
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,646
    Sanity at last! :happy:happy


    People confuse Williams with Liston. It is ludicrous. Big cat Williams was no sonny Liston!

    In truth Norton was closer to Liston than big Cat Williams ever was. Perhaps if we took Liston out of the 1950s (and away from 1950s contenders) Sonny might not look too much better in the 70s than Norton looked in the 1970s, and remember Norton was elite in that stronger era!

    The most anyone can seriously expect is for Williams to do as well against Norton as he did against Liston. Exciting whilst it lasts then get knocked out.
     
    Rakesh likes this.
  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,076
    Likes Received:
    8,463

    Good sum up. Both Ken's and Joe Frazier's chins get sold short a lot in some quarters because of what happened in their fights with George Foreman. And yes,Williams was no Foreman. He did give Sonny Liston a good go but very much like Ron Lyle against Foreman,he lost.


    Norton's chin was solid enough even though not the best. Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes were n't big bangers but were hardly feather fisted either. Ken stood up to their best shots very well.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,646
    There is no proof Williams chin was any better than, or even as good as Norton's. And like you say, Norton's chin was not that bad anyway outside of elite proven championship level. Williams was not as proven.

    Williams was Listons Ron Lyle before he was champion. Thing is, Ron Lyle had better wins than Williams ever did.
     
  15. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Messages:
    12,227
    Likes Received:
    1,247
    I think Norton would outbox the big punching cat.Nortons lean away style which gave Ali trouble would likewise cause the cat to go even more on his front foot.
    Norton ko 8